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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #30 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:21am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 11:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:22pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:42pm:

The acceptance of gays by Islam and Christianity is the exception more than the rule. You'd think a sensible policy would be to import like-minded people. Call it prejudice or whatever slogan you trendies want, it isn't going to change the fact that Islam is generally hostile to gays.

So, you'd bar Muslims and Christians? Roll Eyes

It's not me who is under the microscope. Re-read the op and look at the context of my comments.

Why are Muslims under the microscope?

You've made a statement, I asked a question. Is that hard to comprehend? Roll Eyes

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Reply #31 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:00am

Brian Ross wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:19am:

They may be discriminated against and persecuted. Rather similar to what happens in Uganda where they've just recriminalised homosexuality. Oh, bugger, that's a Christian country, isn't it? Roll Eyes

Which goes to show what I've been saying: Islam and Christianity are hostile to homosexuality. So why would the liberal left import people who are not friendly to their political views?

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Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You made a point. I questioned it. Sufficient context for you? Roll Eyes

So, in context, you're saying Islam is 'intolerant' and 'prejudiced' for opposing gay marriage? Or, let me guess, it was me who you directed those terms toward for pointing out the clash between gays and Islam?

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You do appear to have a reading comprehension problem. I made an observation and then asked a question. I used common English words. Roll Eyes

An observation on what?

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What don't you understand about the meaning of the word "indiscriminate"? Roll Eyes

If you were "indiscriminate" you'd have supported the gays in the op over the Muslims. But you decided to go off on some tangent and engage in ad hominem .

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Reply #32 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:01am

Brian Ross wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:21am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 11:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:22pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:42pm:

The acceptance of gays by Islam and Christianity is the exception more than the rule. You'd think a sensible policy would be to import like-minded people. Call it prejudice or whatever slogan you trendies want, it isn't going to change the fact that Islam is generally hostile to gays.

So, you'd bar Muslims and Christians? Roll Eyes

It's not me who is under the microscope. Re-read the op and look at the context of my comments.

Why are Muslims under the microscope?

You've made a statement, I asked a question. Is that hard to comprehend? Roll Eyes

Did you even read the op? Do you even know the context of what is being spoken about?

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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #33 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:23am

Brian Ross wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:21am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 11:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:22pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:42pm:

The acceptance of gays by Islam and Christianity is the exception more than the rule. You'd think a sensible policy would be to import like-minded people. Call it prejudice or whatever slogan you trendies want, it isn't going to change the fact that Islam is generally hostile to gays.

So, you'd bar Muslims and Christians? Roll Eyes

It's not me who is under the microscope. Re-read the op and look at the context of my comments.

Why are Muslims under the microscope?

Take a wild guess.

The timing of your stupid question couldn't be worse. Jihadis hack a soldier to death in London, car-b-ques in Stockholm, Muslim rioter's contempt of court in Sydney - and the daily sectarian violence across the Muslim world hardly makes the front page any more.

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Reply #34 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm

And so all Muslims must be condemned because of the actions of a few. One Muslim is contemptuous of a Magistrate, so suddenly it is the fault of all Muslims? Two Muslims hack a man to death in London's streets and it is suddenly the fault of all Muslims? You really do believe in guilt by association, don't you?

I thought the world had gotten over this bullshit when the Nazis were toppled from power. Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #35 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 6:39pm The Muslims are the new Nazis.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #36 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:16pm \|dev\|null wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:15pm: And so all Muslims must be condemned because of the actions of a few. freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 6:39pm: The Muslims are the new Nazis Apparently so Hot Breath.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #37 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 7:36pm 90% of Nazis were really nice people and did not personally murder any Jews. It is vilification to tar all Nazis with the same brush by suggesting they were worse than Muslims.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #38 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:09pm Ah yes FD - I have no doubt that you just labelled muslims "nazis" - meaning people that are "really nice". I use "really nice people" and "nazi" interchangeably all the time.
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Reply #39 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:52pm

You miss the point again Gandalf. All these apologists whining that we don't take enough care to couch our criticisms of Muslims will happily demonise and generalise about Nazis, even though the same meaningless propaganda can apply to them - that the majority of them were nice people. But make no mistake, when I compare Muslims to Nazis and Islam to Nazism, I mean it in a bad way. And the people constantly apologising for Muslims sound exactly like the people who bent over backwards to accommodate the Nazis for the same reasons - right up until they landed on their doorstep.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #40 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:47pm freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:52pm: You miss the point again Gandalf. No I got it loud and clear. Merely trying to make light of what is trully a f*cked up line of argument of yours. One could either cry or laugh - I chose the latter.
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Reply #41 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 9:47pm:

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:52pm:

You miss the point again Gandalf.

No I got it loud and clear.

Merely trying to make light of what is trully a f*cked up line of argument of yours.

One could either cry or laugh - I chose the latter.

Gandy, and all the other nuancy-boys - yes, there is all the diversity in the world within the 'Muslim community' despite all the sectarian violence of the last 1400 years, but when it comes down to where your loyalty is, there is a pan-islamic identity, an ummah, a shared muslim identity that you ALL sign up to, above all others.

So beneath all that ' can't blame all the Muslim', you actually do share a common bond, and you all identify as brothers and sister. And here' the kicker - that bond, despite all the sectarian massacres, is more important than any other. The bond of Islam overrides everything for true Muslims - morality, politics, everything.

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Reply #42 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:21pm

Soren wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:10pm:

So beneath all that ' can't blame all the Muslim', you actually do share a common bond, and you all identify as brothers and sister. And here' the kicker - that bond, despite all the sectarian massacres, is more important than any other. The bond of Islam overrides everything for true Muslims - morality, politics, everything.

Does that Muslim bond extend to Sunni and Shia happily throwing bombs at each other?

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Reply #43 - May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:54pm

Datalife wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:21pm:

Soren wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:10pm:

So beneath all that ' can't blame all the Muslim', you actually do share a common bond, and you all identify as brothers and sister. And here' the kicker - that bond, despite all the sectarian massacres, is more important than any other. The bond of Islam overrides everything for true Muslims - morality, politics, everything.

Does that Muslim bond extend to Sunni and Shia happily throwing bombs at each other?

Yes it does. When it comes to infidels like you (I assume you are a useful idiot and not a Muslim) or me, they are united against us insofar as we are in the way of the pan-Islamic ummah. When they have cleared the way to that, they will no doubt duke it out among themselves whether it is to be a sunni or shia ummah. But the kuffr must be dealt with first (after all the Jews are killed off, that is, as it says in the Koran).

Neither the sunnis nor the shia will side with the kuffr against the other except for short-term, tactical reasons. As the poet said all those years ago, 'ummah, ummah uber alles'.

If you don't believe me, ask any Muslim.

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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #44 - May 24^th, 2013 at 7:52am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 8:00am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:19am:

They may be discriminated against and persecuted. Rather similar to what happens in Uganda where they've just recriminalised homosexuality. Oh, bugger, that's a Christian country, isn't it? Roll Eyes

Which goes to show what I've been saying: Islam and Christianity are hostile to homosexuality. So why would the liberal left import people who are not friendly to their political views?

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Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You made a point. I questioned it. Sufficient context for you? Roll Eyes

So, in context, you're saying Islam is 'intolerant' and 'prejudiced' for opposing gay marriage? Or, let me guess, it was me who you directed those terms toward for pointing out the clash between gays and Islam?
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And the conflict between Christianity and Gays? And the conflict between Buddhism and Gays? And the conflict between Hinduism and Gays?

Or perhaps we should just be worried about the conflict between Conservatives and Gays? Afterall, there are progressive elements in all religions which aren't in conflict with Gays but there are conservative ones who hate Gays.

Perhaps the problem isn't with the religious believes, per se but with the political nature of some people?

No, you'd rather focus on sectarian issues, it would seem. Roll Eyes

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You do appear to have a reading comprehension problem. I made an observation and then asked a question. I used common English words. Roll Eyes

An observation on what?

Your apparent viewpoint?

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What don't you understand about the meaning of the word "indiscriminate"? Roll Eyes

If you were "indiscriminate" you'd have supported the gays in the op over the Muslims. But you decided to go off on some tangent and engage in ad hominem .

Why? Perhaps I perceived the op's discrimination against Muslims as being more unfair 'cause the Muslims haven't done anything...? Roll Eyes

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