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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #45 - May 24^th, 2013 at 7:54am

Soren wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 10:23am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 12:21am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 11:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 10:22pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:42pm:

The acceptance of gays by Islam and Christianity is the exception more than the rule. You'd think a sensible policy would be to import like-minded people. Call it prejudice or whatever slogan you trendies want, it isn't going to change the fact that Islam is generally hostile to gays.

So, you'd bar Muslims and Christians? Roll Eyes

It's not me who is under the microscope. Re-read the op and look at the context of my comments.

Why are Muslims under the microscope?

Take a wild guess.

The timing of your stupid question couldn't be worse. Jihadis hack a soldier to death in London, car-b-ques in Stockholm, Muslim rioter's contempt of court in Sydney - and the daily sectarian violence across the Muslim world hardly makes the front page any more.

Then place those people under the microscope, not all Muslims, Soren.

Your problem is that you use a sledehammer to crack a walnut. Roll Eyes

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Reply #46 - May 24^th, 2013 at 9:16am

Brian Ross wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 7:52am:

And the conflict between Christianity and Gays? And the conflict between Buddhism and Gays? And the conflict between Hinduism and Gays?

Or perhaps we should just be worried about the conflict between Conservatives and Gays? Afterall, there are progressive elements in all religions which aren't in conflict with Gays but there are conservative ones who hate Gays.

Perhaps the problem isn't with the religious believes, per se but with the political nature of some people?

No, you'd rather focus on sectarian issues, it would seem. Roll Eyes

There are plenty of anti-Christian threads here. Check out the Atheist and General forum. Perhaps you might even be consistent and defend Christianity against 'bigots' and 'intolerance'? I doubt it.
Anyway, this thread was set up as Muslims protesting against gays, therefore that is the topic. Strange, isn't it, to mention something related to the topic at hand.

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Why? Perhaps I perceived the op's discrimination against Muslims as being more unfair 'cause the Muslims haven't done anything...? Roll Eyes

Huh? The op is about Muslims discriminating against gays and you claim it's the Muslims who should be protected?

This has been an eye opener. It shows that the liberal-left place the rights of Muslims over gays. Thanks for helping me with my research.

It is quite interesting that the conservative leaning members are the ones on the side of the gays!

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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #47 - May 24^th, 2013 at 9:23am

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It is quite interesting that the conservative leaning members are the ones on the side of the gays!

No matter what, the liberal left are on the other side to the conservative leaning members. Teh gayz, muslimz etc are just excuses. If, by some strange cosmic phenomenon they should find themselves in agreeance, a division will be created to preserve the animosity, usually something along the lines of "you support (cause x) for the wrong reasons"

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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #48 - May 24^th, 2013 at 6:53pm

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It is quite interesting that the conservative leaning members are the ones on the side of the gays!

No matter what, the liberal left are on the other side to the conservative leaning members. Teh gayz, muslimz etc are just excuses. If, by some strange cosmic phenomenon they should find themselves in agreeance, a division will be created to preserve the animosity, usually something along the lines of "you support (cause x) for the wrong reasons"

True. They're so reactive they just oppose whatever happens be in power or whatever exerts a bit of power. That explains why they're rarely consistent in their beliefs.

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Reply #49 - May 24^th, 2013 at 6:57pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

They're so reactive they just oppose whatever happens be in power or whatever exerts a bit of power. That explains why they're rarely consistent in their beliefs.

Still waiting to hear of a single example of this sort of inconsistency: where these lefties defend or apologise for muslim homophobia.

Wouldn't want to ruin your little fantasies with actual evidence now would we?

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Reply #50 - May 24^th, 2013 at 7:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

They're so reactive they just oppose whatever happens be in power or whatever exerts a bit of power. That explains why they're rarely consistent in their beliefs.

Still waiting to hear of a single example of this sort of inconsistency: where these lefties defend or apologise for muslim homophobia.

Wouldn't want to ruin your little fantasies with actual evidence now would we?

They don't apologise or defend it outright. They either ignore it, obscure the issue, de-construct it to oblivion, obfuscate, introduce Red Herrings and strawmans, or engage in ad hominem.

Exhibit A: Brian Ross
Exhibit B: Hot Breath
Exhibit C: buzzandj
Exhibit D: Skippy
Exhibit E: adelcow
Exhibit F: Academics on The Conversation
Exhibit G: Writers on Online Opinon
Exhibit H: Writers on The Drum

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #51 - May 24^th, 2013 at 8:35pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 7:07pm: They either ignore it, obscure the issue, de-construct it to oblivion, obfuscate, introduce Red Herrings and strawmans, or engage in ad hominem. Speaking of obfuscating That could be interpreted to mean absolutely anything. What a copout.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #52 - May 24^th, 2013 at 10:17pm Brian Ross is a great example of the inconsistency.
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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #53 - May 25^th, 2013 at 9:42am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

They're so reactive they just oppose whatever happens be in power or whatever exerts a bit of power. That explains why they're rarely consistent in their beliefs.

Still waiting to hear of a single example of this sort of inconsistency: where these lefties defend or apologise for muslim homophobia.

Wouldn't want to ruin your little fantasies with actual evidence now would we?

They don't apologise or defend it outright. They either ignore it, obscure the issue, de-construct it to oblivion, obfuscate, introduce Red Herrings and strawmans, or engage in ad hominem.

Exhibit A: Brian Ross
Exhibit B: Hot Breath
Exhibit C: buzzandj
Exhibit D: Skippy
Exhibit E: adelcow
Exhibit F: Academics on The Conversation
Exhibit G: Writers on Online Opinon
Exhibit H: Writers on The Drum

In otherwords, anybody who disagrees with your bigotry?

Might long list that's going to be!

Why attack all Muslims, unless you're bigoted? Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #54 - May 25^th, 2013 at 9:43am freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 10:17pm: Brian Ross is a great example of the inconsistency. Prove it or piss off FD.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #55 - May 25^th, 2013 at 10:02am How has Islam improved Western societies in the last 100 years?
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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #56 - May 25^th, 2013 at 12:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:

Brian Ross is a great example of the inconsistency.

Prove it or piss off FD. Roll Eyes

You always attack Christianity and Christians, often in very generalised terms, then do the opposite for Muslims and insist it is bigotry when people criticise Islam the way you criticise Christianity. You are the poster child for the type of hypocrisy that is being attributed to "the left" in this thread.

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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #57 - May 25^th, 2013 at 1:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 6:57pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

They're so reactive they just oppose whatever happens be in power or whatever exerts a bit of power. That explains why they're rarely consistent in their beliefs.

Still waiting to hear of a single example of this sort of inconsistency: where these lefties defend or apologise for muslim homophobia.

Wouldn't want to ruin your little fantasies with actual evidence now would we?

They don't apologise or defend it outright. They either ignore it, obscure the issue, de-construct it to oblivion, obfuscate, introduce Red Herrings and strawmans, or engage in ad hominem.

Exhibit A: Brian Ross
Exhibit B: Hot Breath
Exhibit C: buzzandj
Exhibit D: Skippy
Exhibit E: adelcow
Exhibit F: Academics on The Conversation
Exhibit G: Writers on Online Opinon
Exhibit H: Writers on The Drum

In otherwords, anybody who disagrees with your bigotry?

Might long list that's going to be!

Why attack all Muslims, unless you're bigoted? Roll Eyes

You've rendered the term 'bigotry' meaningless. You're saying that anyone who makes a judgement on a phenomenon is a bigot. In effect, then, everyone becomes a bigot, which renders the term meaningless.

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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #58 - May 25^th, 2013 at 1:41pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 7:52am:

And the conflict between Christianity and Gays? And the conflict between Buddhism and Gays? And the conflict between Hinduism and Gays?

Or perhaps we should just be worried about the conflict between Conservatives and Gays? Afterall, there are progressive elements in all religions which aren't in conflict with Gays but there are conservative ones who hate Gays.

Perhaps the problem isn't with the religious believes, per se but with the political nature of some people?

No, you'd rather focus on sectarian issues, it would seem. Roll Eyes

There are plenty of anti-Christian threads here. Check out the Atheist and General forum. Perhaps you might even be consistent and defend Christianity against 'bigots' and 'intolerance'? I doubt it.

Obviously you missed where I did.

Those threads however only call for Christians to be treated as if they are mentally ill. They do not call regularly for the genocide of all Christians or that they should be expelled from our society because of their religion.

You may not be able to detect the difference in the level of intensity but a more neutral observer can.

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Anyway, this thread was set up as Muslims protesting against gays, therefore that is the topic. Strange, isn't it, to mention something related to the topic at hand.
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Why? Perhaps I perceived the op's discrimination against Muslims as being more unfair 'cause the Muslims haven't done anything...? Roll Eyes

Huh? The op is about Muslims discriminating against gays and you claim it's the Muslims who should be protected?

This has been an eye opener. It shows that the liberal-left place the rights of Muslims over gays. Thanks for helping me with my research.

Your research has started with a pre-conceived conclusion. It is flawed.

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It is quite interesting that the conservative leaning members are the ones on the side of the gays!

It is ironic but it appears that bigotry against Muslims tops bigotry against gays in their minds.

I wonder what their attitude is toward Gay Muslims? What little thinking they have must be rather convoluted on that one as I am sure yours is. Grin

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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #59 - May 25^th, 2013 at 1:43pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

You've rendered the term 'bigotry' meaningless. You're saying that anyone who makes a judgement on a phenomenon is a bigot. In effect, then, everyone becomes a bigot, which renders the term meaningless.

A common charge against those who insist on correctly identifying their opponents' arguments.

It is of course false. You cannot render a word "meaningless". If you don't believe you're being bigoted or Soren isn't being a bigot, then stop posting things that fall under the purvey of the word. Roll Eyes

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