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Reply #60 - May 25^th, 2013 at 1:46pm

freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:

Brian Ross is a great example of the inconsistency.

Prove it or piss off FD. Roll Eyes

You always attack Christianity and Christians, often in very generalised terms, then do the opposite for Muslims and insist it is bigotry when people criticise Islam the way you criticise Christianity. You are the poster child for the type of hypocrisy that is being attributed to "the left" in this thread.

Provide proof that I have attacked Christians, except as a means of contrasting the attack on Muslims, FD.

Point to a post where I specifically attacked Christians by themselves, for their beliefs or attitudes.

I have actively defended them. Therefore, I cannot be a bigot.

Unlike yourself WRT to Muslims.

As you have failed to provide proof, I must therefore come to the conclusion that your charge is meaningless and merely characteristic of someone who is defending themselves from the identification of their continual attacks on Muslims as being evidence of their own bigotry. QED.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #61 - May 25^th, 2013 at 1:49pm Quote: Provide proof that I have attacked Christians, except as a means of contrasting the attack on Muslims, FD. Have you ever attacked Muslims as a means of contrasting attacks on Christians? Or would that be stupid?
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Reply #62 - May 25^th, 2013 at 2:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Obviously you missed where I did.

Those threads however only call for Christians to be treated as if they are mentally ill. They do not call regularly for the genocide of all Christians or that they should be expelled from our society because of their religion.

You may not be able to detect the difference in the level of intensity but a more neutral observer can.

I've never called for genocide. Nor deportation.

If you're trying to put me in that category, they call that the association fallacy.

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Your research has started with a pre-conceived conclusion. It is flawed.

No. My "research" started with reading the link contained in the op, which then links to the letter written and signed by Muslims opposing gay marriage. There is no "pre-conceived conclusion" here, simply an observation of a particular act partaken in by Muslims concerning gays.

Look, here's the link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/10065280/Muslim-leaders-stand-against...

Who's the bigot?

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Reply #63 - May 25^th, 2013 at 2:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

You've rendered the term 'bigotry' meaningless. You're saying that anyone who makes a judgement on a phenomenon is a bigot. In effect, then, everyone becomes a bigot, which renders the term meaningless.

A common charge against those who insist on correctly identifying their opponents' arguments.

It is of course false. You cannot render a word "meaningless". If you don't believe you're being bigoted or Soren isn't being a bigot, then stop posting things that fall under the purvey of the word. Roll Eyes

So slippery, so cunning, aren't we!

An observation is not intolerance!!!

Re-read the link in the op, or read it if you haven't yet, and see who the "bigots" are. Did you even read it? It's a signed letter by hundreds of Muslims opposing gay marriage.

Your silence on this speaks volumes.

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Reply #64 - May 25^th, 2013 at 3:24pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

You've rendered the term 'bigotry' meaningless. You're saying that anyone who makes a judgement on a phenomenon is a bigot. In effect, then, everyone becomes a bigot, which renders the term meaningless.

A common charge against those who insist on correctly identifying their opponents' arguments.

It is of course false. You cannot render a word "meaningless". If you don't believe you're being bigoted or Soren isn't being a bigot, then stop posting things that fall under the purvey of the word. Roll Eyes

So slippery, so cunning, aren't we!

An observation is not intolerance!!!

Re-read the link in the op, or read it if you haven't yet, and see who the "bigots" are. Did you even read it? It's a signed letter by hundreds of Muslims opposing gay marriage.

Your silence on this speaks volumes.

We have moved far beyond your op, Mist. Time you realised that.

Again, your claim that I've rendered the world meaningless is foolish. Live with it. Roll Eyes

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Reply #65 - May 25^th, 2013 at 3:27pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Obviously you missed where I did.

Those threads however only call for Christians to be treated as if they are mentally ill. They do not call regularly for the genocide of all Christians or that they should be expelled from our society because of their religion.

You may not be able to detect the difference in the level of intensity but a more neutral observer can.

I've never called for genocide. Nor deportation.

I didn't claim that you had. I said the threads did. You are not the only contributor to a thread, you realise? That you don't admonish those that do, suggests that you agree with them...

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If you're trying to put me in that category, they call that the association fallacy.

I agree. As I've said, you didn't say it but others did. No criticism of them, just reinforcement of their views from you... Roll Eyes

My question of you. Why aren't Muslims allowed to voice criticism of Gays while Christians appear free to?

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Reply #66 - May 25^th, 2013 at 4:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

You've rendered the term 'bigotry' meaningless. You're saying that anyone who makes a judgement on a phenomenon is a bigot. In effect, then, everyone becomes a bigot, which renders the term meaningless.

A common charge against those who insist on correctly identifying their opponents' arguments.

It is of course false. You cannot render a word "meaningless". If you don't believe you're being bigoted or Soren isn't being a bigot, then stop posting things that fall under the purvey of the word. Roll Eyes

So slippery, so cunning, aren't we!

An observation is not intolerance!!!

Re-read the link in the op, or read it if you haven't yet, and see who the "bigots" are. Did you even read it? It's a signed letter by hundreds of Muslims opposing gay marriage.

Your silence on this speaks volumes.

We have moved far beyond your op, Mist. Time you realised that.

Again, your claim that I've rendered the world meaningless is foolish. Live with it. Roll Eyes

Well, you've moved beyond dealing with the op, because you didn't even deal with it to begin with (if you did you'd have to admit that Muslims were committing "bigotry").

So what specific point is it you're speaking to?

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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #67 - May 25^th, 2013 at 4:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 2:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Obviously you missed where I did.

Those threads however only call for Christians to be treated as if they are mentally ill. They do not call regularly for the genocide of all Christians or that they should be expelled from our society because of their religion.

You may not be able to detect the difference in the level of intensity but a more neutral observer can.

I've never called for genocide. Nor deportation.

I didn't claim that you had. I said the threads did. You are not the only contributor to a thread, you realise? That you don't admonish those that do, suggests that you agree with them...

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If you're trying to put me in that category, they call that the association fallacy.

I agree. As I've said, you didn't say it but others did. No criticism of them, just reinforcement of their views from you... Roll Eyes

Point to where I've reinforced genocide or deportation.

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My question of you. Why aren't Muslims allowed to voice criticism of Gays while Christians appear free to?

Huh? Since when have I advocated such a position? Seriously, this is spot of borg territory. It just goes around in circles with dozens of side-points and issues that never actually deal with the topic at hand. But maybe this is your intention? Frustrate your interlocutor with irrelevant by-paths? Whatever. Your double standards have been exposed. You cannot bring yourself to comment on the Muslims speaking out against gays. Such dishonesty and avoidance is typical of the liberal-left.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #68 - May 25^th, 2013 at 5:09pm freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:49pm: Quote: Provide proof that I have attacked Christians, except as a means of contrasting the attack on Muslims, FD. Have you ever attacked Muslims as a means of contrasting attacks on Christians? Or would that be stupid?
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Reply #69 - May 25^th, 2013 at 6:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

If you don't believe you're being bigoted or Soren isn't being a bigot, then stop posting things that fall under the purvey of the word. Roll Eyes

And how did you get to be imam that decides what is bigoted??

I think you are bigoted - you have not converted to Islam. The way you talk, you should have done so a long time ago. But you know in your ones what a crazy thing that would be.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #70 - May 25^th, 2013 at 9:56pm Brian Ross wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 7:54am: Your problem is that you use a sledehammer to crack a walnut. Lovely mindless cliche. Give us some more.
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Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest
Reply #71 - May 26^th, 2013 at 1:11am

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:43pm:

If you don't believe you're being bigoted or Soren isn't being a bigot, then stop posting things that fall under the purvey of the word. Roll Eyes

And how did you get to be imam that decides what is bigoted??

I am stating my opinion, Soren.

It is obvious you wish to dispute it but you keep demonstrating that my opinion of your posts is correct. Grin

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I think you are bigoted - you have not converted to Islam. The way you talk, you should have done so a long time ago. But you know in your ones what a crazy thing that would be.

**YAWN** Why do I need to convert to Islam to recognise that you are being bigoted towards Muslims, Soren?

I always defend the oppressed and the persecuted against racism/bigotry/hatred/prejudice, its because I don't believe such things should go unnoticed. As Mr. Burke is reputed to have said, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

I can no more stand idly by while Jews get shovelled into the ovens than I can stand idly by and see you and your ilk continually abusing Muslims, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #72 - May 26^th, 2013 at 1:12am Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 9:56pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 24^th, 2013 at 7:54am: Your problem is that you use a sledehammer to crack a walnut. Lovely mindless cliche. Give us some more. Actually a very good description of your attitudes, Soren.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #73 - May 26^th, 2013 at 1:13am freediver wrote on May 25^th, 2013 at 1:49pm: Quote: Provide proof that I have attacked Christians, except as a means of contrasting the attack on Muslims, FD. Have you ever attacked Muslims as a means of contrasting attacks on Christians? Or would that be stupid? That would be stupid.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: 500 Butthurt Imams finally protest Reply #74 - May 26^th, 2013 at 9:57am So why is it not stupid when you attack Christians as a means of contrasting the attack on Muslims?
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