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The Heartless Felon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2869 Gender:	Re: Rudd Backs Marriage Equality Reply #15 - May 21^st, 2013 at 10:14am Every human society has been built on heterosexual marriage regardless of which religion/superstition has been in vogue but we've had civil marriage for quite a while. So it's interesting that whenever this subject comes up, people link marriage to church. Just an observation...
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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Rudd Backs Marriage Equality Reply #16 - May 21^st, 2013 at 10:21am Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young says the leaders of both major parties are out of step with the community in their opposition to same-sex marriage. No, they’re probably as sick to death of hearing about it as we all are. Let ‘em get married. Then maybe they’ll STFU and leave the rest of us alone.
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Re: Rudd Backs Marriage Equality
Reply #17 - May 21^st, 2013 at 10:26am

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:58am:

They all will come around eventually. Its the direction society is moving.

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Being non-religious the issue looks bigger to me, why does the government need to know if I am married or not ?

We already have de-facto laws that undermine marriage so why not just get rid of the marriage act altogether ?

The only point we need to examine two peoples relationship is in a separation situation where kids are involved and law is required.

Other than that, it is no ones business who I choose to live with or how many.

It would cost more to keep track of de-factos and change all the laws pertaining to goods and children etc than to just let gays get married and stick them under existing laws etc.

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Socrates Gold Member Offline A Dog With A Bone Posts: 583 Gender:	Re: Rudd Backs Marriage Equality Reply #18 - May 21^st, 2013 at 10:47am Probably dating Wayne Swan and thinking about the future once his divorce comes through......
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Reply #19 - May 21^st, 2013 at 11:51am

We (gay couples) are couples for tax (and centrelink purposes apparently).

Whilst it might appear to be a political stunt, it's no more or less a political stunt than Mr Tony (we might have a conscience vote (really no hope in hell that this well ever pass if I'm p.m)) Abbott.

Marriage is not a religious institution any more - divorces are legal and women are no longer the property of their husbands.

Society has moved passed this definition (it's no longer for life - as it says in our current marriage act).

Maybe we should give everyone a civil union and for those who want it - they can get married in churches.

Anyone who is worried that churches will get sued for not marrying gay couples - most gay couples wouldn't want to marry in church/some churches support it.

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Re: Rudd Backs Marriage Equality
Reply #20 - May 21^st, 2013 at 11:55am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 10:26am:

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:58am:

They all will come around eventually. Its the direction society is moving.
SOB

Spot of Borg
Being non-religious the issue looks bigger to me, why does the government need to know if I am married or not ?
We already have de-facto laws that undermine marriage so why not just get rid of the marriage act altogether ?

The only point we need to examine two peoples relationship is in a separation situation where kids are involved and law is required.

Other than that, it is no ones business who I choose to live with or how many.

It would cost more to keep track of de-factos and change all the laws pertaining to goods and children etc than to just let gays get married and stick them under existing laws etc.

SOB

Spot of Borg

So you want to further undermine the marriage act using a thousand cuts .... I just prefer to execute it in one go.

I see no value in governments basing policy of anyone's personal life preferences.

Prefer my idea, I get sick and tired of useless outdated laws that serve no one other than divorce lawyers.

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Re: Rudd Backs Marriage Equality
Reply #21 - May 21^st, 2013 at 12:09pm

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 11:55am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 10:26am:

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:58am:

They all will come around eventually. Its the direction society is moving.
SOB

Spot of Borg
Being non-religious the issue looks bigger to me, why does the government need to know if I am married or not ?
We already have de-facto laws that undermine marriage so why not just get rid of the marriage act altogether ?

The only point we need to examine two peoples relationship is in a separation situation where kids are involved and law is required.

Other than that, it is no ones business who I choose to live with or how many.

It would cost more to keep track of de-factos and change all the laws pertaining to goods and children etc than to just let gays get married and stick them under existing laws etc.

SOB

Spot of Borg

So you want to further undermine the marriage act using a thousand cuts .... I just prefer to execute it in one go.

I see no value in governments basing policy of anyone's personal life preferences.

Prefer my idea, I get sick and tired of useless outdated laws that serve no one other than divorce lawyers.

I didnt say what i want. I said how it is. Thing is ppl go through divorces and have to sort everything including children so there are laws about it.

SOB

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Reply #22 - May 21^st, 2013 at 12:16pm

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 10:05am:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:41am:

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:39am:

So the most narcissistic complicit ALP MP supports gays getting married ?

Its shameful a grub like Rudd wishes to politicise this issue.
I guess he has been giving it that way, maybe he is a closet gay ....... this might be part of his last ditch attempt to take over before September. With Rudd there is always an agenda, why now ?

I wonder if he has employed a private polling firm to see if the idea worked.

of course, it's Rudds fault that it is being politicised .... it was never on the agenda before that.

John Smith

Sorry I missed the guy holding a gun to Rudd's head. Does he appear when you put your tin foil hat on ?

so they guy voices an opinion and he's politicising it? I suppose the fact that Rudd voiced this opinion also means there is another leadership challenge looming? The only one wearing tin foil hats is you ... you're the one seeing conspiracies everywhere .. listen carefully, you should be receiving a signal from Lib HQ soon ... keep that hat tuned in !

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #23 - May 21^st, 2013 at 12:34pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:16pm:

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 10:05am:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:41am:

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:39am:

So the most narcissistic complicit ALP MP supports gays getting married ?

Its shameful a grub like Rudd wishes to politicise this issue.
I guess he has been giving it that way, maybe he is a closet gay ....... this might be part of his last ditch attempt to take over before September. With Rudd there is always an agenda, why now ?

I wonder if he has employed a private polling firm to see if the idea worked.

of course, it's Rudds fault that it is being politicised .... it was never on the agenda before that.

John Smith

Sorry I missed the guy holding a gun to Rudd's head. Does he appear when you put your tin foil hat on ?

so they guy voices an opinion and he's politicising it? I suppose the fact that Rudd voiced this opinion also means there is another leadership challenge looming? The only one wearing tin foil hats is you ... you're the one seeing conspiracies everywhere .. listen carefully, you should be receiving a signal from Lib HQ soon ... keep that hat tuned in !

John Smith

No this a complete Rudd show, your too thick to know when someone is pulling the wool over your eyes.

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Reply #24 - May 21^st, 2013 at 12:36pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:09pm:

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 11:55am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 10:26am:

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:58am:

They all will come around eventually. Its the direction society is moving.
SOB

Spot of Borg
Being non-religious the issue looks bigger to me, why does the government need to know if I am married or not ?
We already have de-facto laws that undermine marriage so why not just get rid of the marriage act altogether ?

The only point we need to examine two peoples relationship is in a separation situation where kids are involved and law is required.

Other than that, it is no ones business who I choose to live with or how many.

It would cost more to keep track of de-factos and change all the laws pertaining to goods and children etc than to just let gays get married and stick them under existing laws etc.

SOB

Spot of Borg

So you want to further undermine the marriage act using a thousand cuts .... I just prefer to execute it in one go.

I see no value in governments basing policy of anyone's personal life preferences.

Prefer my idea, I get sick and tired of useless outdated laws that serve no one other than divorce lawyers.

I didnt say what i want. I said how it is. Thing is ppl go through divorces and have to sort everything including children so there are laws about it.

SOB

Spot of Borg

Which apply if you don't get married.

Please don't bore me with your wet lettuce arguments.

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Re: Rudd Backs Marriage Equality
Reply #25 - May 21^st, 2013 at 12:38pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 11:51am:

We (gay couples) are couples for tax (and centrelink purposes apparently).

Whilst it might appear to be a political stunt, it's no more or less a political stunt than Mr Tony (we might have a conscience vote (really no hope in hell that this well ever pass if I'm p.m)) Abbott.

Marriage is not a religious institution any more - divorces are legal and women are no longer the property of their husbands.

Society has moved passed this definition (it's no longer for life - as it says in our current marriage act).

Maybe we should give everyone a civil union and for those who want it - they can get married in churches.

Anyone who is worried that churches will get sued for not marrying gay couples - most gay couples wouldn't want to marry in church/some churches support it.

iceyone

Tony tends to down plays it(as does Gillard BTW) , while Rudd gets out there and bignotes himself.

Big big difference

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Re: Rudd Backs Marriage Equality
Reply #26 - May 21^st, 2013 at 12:38pm

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:34pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 12:16pm:

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 10:05am:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:41am:

RightSadFred wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:39am:

So the most narcissistic complicit ALP MP supports gays getting married ?

Its shameful a grub like Rudd wishes to politicise this issue.
I guess he has been giving it that way, maybe he is a closet gay ....... this might be part of his last ditch attempt to take over before September. With Rudd there is always an agenda, why now ?

I wonder if he has employed a private polling firm to see if the idea worked.

of course, it's Rudds fault that it is being politicised .... it was never on the agenda before that.

John Smith

Sorry I missed the guy holding a gun to Rudd's head. Does he appear when you put your tin foil hat on ?

so they guy voices an opinion and he's politicising it? I suppose the fact that Rudd voiced this opinion also means there is another leadership challenge looming? The only one wearing tin foil hats is you ... you're the one seeing conspiracies everywhere .. listen carefully, you should be receiving a signal from Lib HQ soon ... keep that hat tuned in !

John Smith

No this a complete Rudd show, your too thick to know when someone is pulling the wool over your eyes.

or your antennae is faulty.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Makka Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 803 Gender:	Re: Rudd Backs Marriage Equality Reply #27 - May 21^st, 2013 at 10:29pm So when Rudd backflip over gay marriage - then Green_poo's headline is "Rudd Backs Marriage Equality" But if anyone from the LIBs change their mind - then the headline will read "LIBs backflip over gay marriage" You are a moron Green_poo
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Rudd Backs Marriage Equality Reply #28 - May 21^st, 2013 at 10:31pm I'm so sick of politicians saying, "Oh I've now had a personal discussion and I've changed my mind." FFS THEY ARE MEANT TO BE REPRESENTATIVES. MEANING IT'S NOT ABOUT PERSONAL FRIENDSHIPS OR PERSONAL INFLUENCES, BUT ABOUT WHAT"S RIGHT FOR YOUR ELECTORATE. RUDD AND ABBOTT ARE THE F***ING SAME RUBBISH.
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Reply #29 - May 21^st, 2013 at 10:47pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 10:31pm:

I'm so sick of politicians saying, "Oh I've now had a personal discussion and I've changed my mind." FFS THEY ARE MEANT TO BE REPRESENTATIVES. MEANING IT'S NOT ABOUT PERSONAL FRIENDSHIPS OR PERSONAL INFLUENCES, BUT ABOUT WHAT"S RIGHT FOR YOUR ELECTORATE. RUDD AND ABBOTT ARE THE F***ING SAME RUBBISH.

It's a discussion about gay marriage and Rudd changing his mind

Why bring Abbott into this issue

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