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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #30 - May 21^st, 2013 at 6:25pm

red baron wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 6:18pm:

Her latest ploy appears to be the, 'I've tried my heart out for this Country...I've cried and cried'.

Must be working, you know, the violin play, because she has just gone up to level with Abbott in the preferred P.M. polls.

How does that song go? 'Short memory...must have a short memory.....

The fickle, mindless public do it yet again.

Four months....and you can hear the LNP doubt emerging, and for good reason. We all (LNP, ALP, Greens et al) know that Abbott will drop a clanger soon enough. Credlin needs to stay sober.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #31 - May 21^st, 2013 at 6:46pm

red baron wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 6:18pm:

Her latest ploy appears to be the, 'I've tried my heart out for this Country...I've cried and cried'.

Must be working, you know, the violin play, because she has just gone up to level with Abbott in the preferred P.M. polls.

How does that song go? 'Short memory...must have a short memory.....

The fickle, mindless public do it yet again.

but she's never mentioned crying ... only you have ...

you must hate being wrong all the time.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #32 - May 21^st, 2013 at 6:50pm

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:11pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 4:06pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:55pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 1:12pm:

You've got to give Gillard an A+ ...

What's a few MORE
"A's"
between friends ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg

wouldnt we love to see the look on their faces when they watched the month of May 2013 in Australian treasury.. when the worlds greatest didnt even know how much we are losing each and every day thanks to his bizarre forecasts....

lets hope the great ones that give out these wonderful AAA ratings...never get a job in our treasury...unless!!!!!!!!!! nooooooooo they couldnt already work there could they??????? Shocked

they aren't his forcasts ..... what part of that is difficult for you? they are treasuries forcasts

here, for your benefit ..

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17268762/prices-stumped-forecasts-tre...

you dont get it do you pizza boy.... he is

RESPONSIBLE FOR TELLING IT LIKE THEY CLAIM IT IS>>

do you know the name of the person in treasury that gives him the information????

... which he then makes sure its all fact... double checks..puts two and two together..............ooooppppppss....

think about it sunshine....dont get too carried away though...excuses they bore me..

he's a politician and like most politicians, they rely on their advisors when it comes to facts and figures ... do you think he actually has the time to go through their forcasts, analysing something that is not his area of expertise, something they spent months and months preparing, trying to see if it's correct? How would you even know if it's correct? it's a forcast on a future event , you wouldn't have a clue until it was to late.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #33 - May 21^st, 2013 at 6:58pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Socrates wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:10pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 1:12pm:

Even if you detest her, her team, her party & her policies (guilty!), you have to hand it to her as a gutsy, back-to-the-wall fighter.
If she's going to go down (and I hope she does), she's going to go down fighting.
She sticks on her message whatever they throw at her.
I doffs me lid to her as one tough cookie.

No I"m afraid I can't agree with that Bogie. She"s just a bitter old tart who is determined to make life awkward for TA before she loses the election. No admiration here just pure contempt for a lying, cheating, incompetent loser.

you sound much more bitter than she does ....

You sound like a labor fool following the yellow brick road to nowhere. I guess duplicity comes naturally to you lot........simple minds will believe anything.....boohoo.....

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #34 - May 21^st, 2013 at 7:01pm

Socrates wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 6:58pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Socrates wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:10pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 1:12pm:

Even if you detest her, her team, her party & her policies (guilty!), you have to hand it to her as a gutsy, back-to-the-wall fighter.
If she's going to go down (and I hope she does), she's going to go down fighting.
She sticks on her message whatever they throw at her.
I doffs me lid to her as one tough cookie.

No I"m afraid I can't agree with that Bogie. She"s just a bitter old tart who is determined to make life awkward for TA before she loses the election. No admiration here just pure contempt for a lying, cheating, incompetent loser.

you sound much more bitter than she does ....

You sound like a labor fool following the yellow brick road to nowhere. I guess duplicity comes naturally to you lot........simple minds will believe anything.....boohoo.....

so you agree that you do sound bitter then?

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #35 - May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 6:50pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:11pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 4:06pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:55pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 1:12pm:

You've got to give Gillard an A+ ...

What's a few MORE
"A's"
between friends ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg

wouldnt we love to see the look on their faces when they watched the month of May 2013 in Australian treasury.. when the worlds greatest didnt even know how much we are losing each and every day thanks to his bizarre forecasts....

lets hope the great ones that give out these wonderful AAA ratings...never get a job in our treasury...unless!!!!!!!!!! nooooooooo they couldnt already work there could they??????? Shocked

they aren't his forcasts ..... what part of that is difficult for you? they are treasuries forcasts

here, for your benefit ..

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17268762/prices-stumped-forecasts-tre...

you dont get it do you pizza boy.... he is

RESPONSIBLE FOR TELLING IT LIKE THEY CLAIM IT IS>>

do you know the name of the person in treasury that gives him the information????

... which he then makes sure its all fact... double checks..puts two and two together..............ooooppppppss....

think about it sunshine....dont get too carried away though...excuses they bore me..

he's a politician and like most politicians, they rely on their advisors when it comes to facts and figures ... do you think he actually has the time to go through their forcasts, analysing something that is not his area of expertise, something they spent months and months preparing, trying to see if it's correct? How would you even know if it's correct? it's a forcast on a future event , you wouldn't have a clue until it was to late.

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.

Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.

You just excuse anything Labor says and does.

Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #36 - May 21^st, 2013 at 7:04pm

In a rating system of A through to F, I would grade Gillard about a B- on policy ideas.
Her Government hasn't been that bad in what they have proposed over the whole course of the parliament.

Her problem is where she gets the worst grade and that's marketing.

I'd give her and her Government an F in selling the policies to the electorate.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #37 - May 21^st, 2013 at 7:09pm

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.You just excuse anything Labor says and does.Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

Here we go, the 'swing' voter who has never missed an opportunity to criticise labor.

How would he know if not for his advisors? Do you think he goes to some office to check receipts and expenditure for the day? I agree that he was stupid for making such an iron clad guarantee on a prediction of a future event, but that is irrelevant. A politician is at the mercy of their advisors. This isn't about excusing Swan, it's about not letting you morons get away with making stupid comments. Do you think Hockey works out his own figures or do you think he has someone else do them for him?

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #38 - May 21^st, 2013 at 7:10pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:04pm:

In a rating system of A through to F, I would grade Gillard about a B- on policy ideas.
Her Government hasn't been that bad in what they have proposed over the whole course of the parliament.

Her problem is where she gets the worst grade and that's marketing.

I'd give her and her Government an F in selling the policies to the electorate.

I'd agree with that. They couldn't sell water in the desert.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #39 - May 21^st, 2013 at 7:22pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:09pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.You just excuse anything Labor says and does.Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

Here we go, the 'swing' voter who has never missed an opportunity to criticise labor.

How would he know if not for his advisors? Do you think he goes to some office to check receipts and expenditure for the day? I agree that he was stupid for making such an iron clad guarantee on a prediction of a future event, but that is irrelevant. A politician is at the mercy of their advisors. This isn't about excusing Swan, it's about not letting you morons get away with making stupid comments. Do you think Hockey works out his own figures or do you think he has someone else do them for him?

Being a swing voter I criticise both when I see firm, and I think this is the worst government of my lifetome, from either side.

I am not so blindly rusted-on to be as biased as you are.

Yes, I think that Swan and any other treasurer, for that point, should be actively checking receipts, as you put it, not just listening to their advisors.

What's the point of having them there otherwise?

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #40 - May 21^st, 2013 at 7:31pm

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:09pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.You just excuse anything Labor says and does.Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

Here we go, the 'swing' voter who has never missed an opportunity to criticise labor.

How would he know if not for his advisors? Do you think he goes to some office to check receipts and expenditure for the day? I agree that he was stupid for making such an iron clad guarantee on a prediction of a future event, but that is irrelevant. A politician is at the mercy of their advisors. This isn't about excusing Swan, it's about not letting you morons get away with making stupid comments. Do you think Hockey works out his own figures or do you think he has someone else do them for him?

Being a swing voter I criticise both when I see firm, and I think this is the worst government of my lifetome, from either side.

I am not so blindly rusted-on to be as biased as you are.

Yes, I think that Swan and any other treasurer, for that point, should be actively checking receipts, as you put it, not just listening to their advisors.

What's the point of having them there otherwise?

I doubt very much that Swan or any other treasurer ever see's a receipt whilst they are treasurer. All they see are reports from their advisors. Do you think he should also check everybody's tax return? Besides, how do you check a receipt on a future forcast? Get real ... these are politicians, they are ideas people, they come up with policies (even then, most times it's someone elses idea that they 'borrow'), the real work is done by others.

You may think this is the worst govt. in history, but the facts don't support that. Leave the rhetoric behind and look at the facts. Prove that you really are a swing voter instead of just repeating bullsh1t all day.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #41 - May 21^st, 2013 at 7:57pm

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 6:50pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:11pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 4:06pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:55pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 1:12pm:

You've got to give Gillard an A+ ...

What's a few MORE
"A's"
between friends ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg

wouldnt we love to see the look on their faces when they watched the month of May 2013 in Australian treasury.. when the worlds greatest didnt even know how much we are losing each and every day thanks to his bizarre forecasts....

lets hope the great ones that give out these wonderful AAA ratings...never get a job in our treasury...unless!!!!!!!!!! nooooooooo they couldnt already work there could they??????? Shocked

they aren't his forcasts ..... what part of that is difficult for you? they are treasuries forcasts

here, for your benefit ..

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17268762/prices-stumped-forecasts-tre...

you dont get it do you pizza boy.... he is

RESPONSIBLE FOR TELLING IT LIKE THEY CLAIM IT IS>>

do you know the name of the person in treasury that gives him the information????

... which he then makes sure its all fact... double checks..puts two and two together..............ooooppppppss....

think about it sunshine....dont get too carried away though...excuses they bore me..

he's a politician and like most politicians, they rely on their advisors when it comes to facts and figures ... do you think he actually has the time to go through their forcasts, analysing something that is not his area of expertise, something they spent months and months preparing, trying to see if it's correct? How would you even know if it's correct? it's a forcast on a future event , you wouldn't have a clue until it was to late.

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.

Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.

You just excuse anything Labor says and does.

Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

your wasting your time matey thats why I cant be bothered with them him dna and greenswhine refuse to accept this lot did a thing wrong.. its always someone elses fault..

now we have a treasurer who preens when someone says he is the worlds greatest treasurer yet when it come to all the dumb stuff guess what its some clerk in the office... not him at all.. they want a cut each way...it seems

lets see if they give the treasurer for the Libs the same benefit of the doubt...

its hilarious really Even claiming a treasurer isnt responsible for his own BUDGET which just happens to be a prediction of the next 12 months...dont let on about that though.hence the massive booboo about the surplus no ifs or buts.. a guaranteed surplus..yet! but never fear it was some dill in the office that made that prediction.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #42 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:02pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:31pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:09pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.You just excuse anything Labor says and does.Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

Here we go, the 'swing' voter who has never missed an opportunity to criticise labor.

How would he know if not for his advisors? Do you think he goes to some office to check receipts and expenditure for the day? I agree that he was stupid for making such an iron clad guarantee on a prediction of a future event, but that is irrelevant. A politician is at the mercy of their advisors. This isn't about excusing Swan, it's about not letting you morons get away with making stupid comments. Do you think Hockey works out his own figures or do you think he has someone else do them for him?

Being a swing voter I criticise both when I see firm, and I think this is the worst government of my lifetome, from either side.

I am not so blindly rusted-on to be as biased as you are.

Yes, I think that Swan and any other treasurer, for that point, should be actively checking receipts, as you put it, not just listening to their advisors.

What's the point of having them there otherwise?

I doubt very much that Swan or any other treasurer ever see's a receipt whilst they are treasurer. All they see are reports from their advisors. Do you think he should also check everybody's tax return? Besides, how do you check a receipt on a future forcast? Get real ... these are politicians, they are ideas people, they come up with policies (even then, most times it's someone elses idea that they 'borrow'), the real work is done by others.

You may think this is the worst govt. in history, but the facts don't support that. Leave the rhetoric behind and look at the facts. Prove that you really are a swing voter instead of just repeating bullsh1t all day.

really yet you have a treasurer you claim isnt responsible for the financial mess we are in its some dickhead in the office......... and that means the plumber is running the health dept...and the pencil sharpener is running the education dept..... WOW at least it gives us a better idea why the place is rapidly going down hill

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #43 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:06pm

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:09pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.You just excuse anything Labor says and does.Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

Here we go, the 'swing' voter who has never missed an opportunity to criticise labor.

How would he know if not for his advisors? Do you think he goes to some office to check receipts and expenditure for the day? I agree that he was stupid for making such an iron clad guarantee on a prediction of a future event, but that is irrelevant. A politician is at the mercy of their advisors. This isn't about excusing Swan, it's about not letting you morons get away with making stupid comments. Do you think Hockey works out his own figures or do you think he has someone else do them for him?

Being a swing voter I criticise both when I see firm, and I think this is the worst government of my lifetome, from either side.

I am not so blindly rusted-on to be as biased as you are.

Yes, I think that Swan and any other treasurer, for that point, should be actively checking receipts, as you put it, not just listening to their advisors.

What's the point of having them there otherwise?

Costello and Michael Costa both agreed swan would have been sacked many months ago if he was in the private sector.....you cant have a bet eachway and claim Costello did everything wrong when he was treasurer but that its some p.s in the office that is responsible when its labor...it just doesnt work like that...of course they have advisers and one expects experts in the dept... but at the end of the day.......

it is his job to do the budget....he takes credit for it when its right he has to take to kickback when its wrong.. simple as that..

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #44 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:08pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:31pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:09pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.You just excuse anything Labor says and does.Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

Here we go, the 'swing' voter who has never missed an opportunity to criticise labor.

How would he know if not for his advisors? Do you think he goes to some office to check receipts and expenditure for the day? I agree that he was stupid for making such an iron clad guarantee on a prediction of a future event, but that is irrelevant. A politician is at the mercy of their advisors. This isn't about excusing Swan, it's about not letting you morons get away with making stupid comments. Do you think Hockey works out his own figures or do you think he has someone else do them for him?

Being a swing voter I criticise both when I see firm, and I think this is the worst government of my lifetome, from either side.

I am not so blindly rusted-on to be as biased as you are.

Yes, I think that Swan and any other treasurer, for that point, should be actively checking receipts, as you put it, not just listening to their advisors.

What's the point of having them there otherwise?

I doubt very much that Swan or any other treasurer ever see's a receipt whilst they are treasurer. All they see are reports from their advisors. Do you think he should also check everybody's tax return? Besides, how do you check a receipt on a future forcast? Get real ... these are politicians, they are ideas people, they come up with policies (even then, most times it's someone elses idea that they 'borrow'), the real work is done by others.

You may think this is the worst govt. in history, but the facts don't support that. Leave the rhetoric behind and look at the facts. Prove that you really are a swing voter instead of just repeating bullsh1t all day.

Then what are we paying them to do?

Me thinking that this is the worst government doesn't mean that I am not a swing voter.

It means I am a realist.

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