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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #45 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:11pm

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:57pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 6:50pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:11pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 4:06pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:55pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 1:12pm:

You've got to give Gillard an A+ ...

What's a few MORE
"A's"
between friends ?

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wouldnt we love to see the look on their faces when they watched the month of May 2013 in Australian treasury.. when the worlds greatest didnt even know how much we are losing each and every day thanks to his bizarre forecasts....

lets hope the great ones that give out these wonderful AAA ratings...never get a job in our treasury...unless!!!!!!!!!! nooooooooo they couldnt already work there could they??????? Shocked

they aren't his forcasts ..... what part of that is difficult for you? they are treasuries forcasts

here, for your benefit ..

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17268762/prices-stumped-forecasts-tre...

you dont get it do you pizza boy.... he is

RESPONSIBLE FOR TELLING IT LIKE THEY CLAIM IT IS>>

do you know the name of the person in treasury that gives him the information????

... which he then makes sure its all fact... double checks..puts two and two together..............ooooppppppss....

think about it sunshine....dont get too carried away though...excuses they bore me..

he's a politician and like most politicians, they rely on their advisors when it comes to facts and figures ... do you think he actually has the time to go through their forcasts, analysing something that is not his area of expertise, something they spent months and months preparing, trying to see if it's correct? How would you even know if it's correct? it's a forcast on a future event , you wouldn't have a clue until it was to late.

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.

Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.

You just excuse anything Labor says and does.

Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

your wasting your time matey thats why I cant be bothered with them him dna and greenswhine refuse to accept this lot did a thing wrong.. its always someone elses fault..

now we have a treasurer who preens when someone says he is the worlds greatest treasurer yet when it come to all the dumb stuff guess what its some clerk in the office... not him at all.. they want a cut each way...it seems

lets see if they give the treasurer for the Libs the same benefit of the doubt...

its hilarious really Even claiming a treasurer isnt responsible for his own BUDGET which just happens to be a prediction of the next 12 months...dont let on about that though.hence the massive booboo about the surplus no ifs or buts.. a guaranteed surplus..yet! but never fear it was some dill in the office that made that prediction.

I hardly even read John or dna's post any longer, cods.

Just excuse after excuse for Labor. No accountability at all.

People who are so biased, to either side, who can't see the forest from the trees, aren't worth listening to.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #46 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:17pm

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:11pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:57pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 6:50pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:11pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 4:06pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:55pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 1:12pm:

You've got to give Gillard an A+ ...

What's a few MORE
"A's"
between friends ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg

wouldnt we love to see the look on their faces when they watched the month of May 2013 in Australian treasury.. when the worlds greatest didnt even know how much we are losing each and every day thanks to his bizarre forecasts....

lets hope the great ones that give out these wonderful AAA ratings...never get a job in our treasury...unless!!!!!!!!!! nooooooooo they couldnt already work there could they??????? Shocked

they aren't his forcasts ..... what part of that is difficult for you? they are treasuries forcasts

here, for your benefit ..

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17268762/prices-stumped-forecasts-tre...

you dont get it do you pizza boy.... he is

RESPONSIBLE FOR TELLING IT LIKE THEY CLAIM IT IS>>

do you know the name of the person in treasury that gives him the information????

... which he then makes sure its all fact... double checks..puts two and two together..............ooooppppppss....

think about it sunshine....dont get too carried away though...excuses they bore me..

he's a politician and like most politicians, they rely on their advisors when it comes to facts and figures ... do you think he actually has the time to go through their forcasts, analysing something that is not his area of expertise, something they spent months and months preparing, trying to see if it's correct? How would you even know if it's correct? it's a forcast on a future event , you wouldn't have a clue until it was to late.

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.

Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.

You just excuse anything Labor says and does.

Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

your wasting your time matey thats why I cant be bothered with them him dna and greenswhine refuse to accept this lot did a thing wrong.. its always someone elses fault..

now we have a treasurer who preens when someone says he is the worlds greatest treasurer yet when it come to all the dumb stuff guess what its some clerk in the office... not him at all.. they want a cut each way...it seems

lets see if they give the treasurer for the Libs the same benefit of the doubt...

its hilarious really Even claiming a treasurer isnt responsible for his own BUDGET which just happens to be a prediction of the next 12 months...dont let on about that though.hence the massive booboo about the surplus no ifs or buts.. a guaranteed surplus..yet! but never fear it was some dill in the office that made that prediction.

I hardly even read John or dna's post any longer, cods.

Just excuse after excuse for Labor. No accountability at all.

People who are so biased, to either side, who can't see the forest from the trees, aren't worth listening to.

Hahahahahahah it's always a laugh to see you try to lecture someone on bias.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #47 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:31pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:17pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:11pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:57pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 6:50pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:48pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:11pm:

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 4:06pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:55pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 1:12pm:

You've got to give Gillard an A+ ...

What's a few MORE
"A's"
between friends ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg

wouldnt we love to see the look on their faces when they watched the month of May 2013 in Australian treasury.. when the worlds greatest didnt even know how much we are losing each and every day thanks to his bizarre forecasts....

lets hope the great ones that give out these wonderful AAA ratings...never get a job in our treasury...unless!!!!!!!!!! nooooooooo they couldnt already work there could they??????? Shocked

they aren't his forcasts ..... what part of that is difficult for you? they are treasuries forcasts

here, for your benefit ..

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/17268762/prices-stumped-forecasts-tre...

you dont get it do you pizza boy.... he is

RESPONSIBLE FOR TELLING IT LIKE THEY CLAIM IT IS>>

do you know the name of the person in treasury that gives him the information????

... which he then makes sure its all fact... double checks..puts two and two together..............ooooppppppss....

think about it sunshine....dont get too carried away though...excuses they bore me..

he's a politician and like most politicians, they rely on their advisors when it comes to facts and figures ... do you think he actually has the time to go through their forcasts, analysing something that is not his area of expertise, something they spent months and months preparing, trying to see if it's correct? How would you even know if it's correct? it's a forcast on a future event , you wouldn't have a clue until it was to late.

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.

Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.

You just excuse anything Labor says and does.

Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

your wasting your time matey thats why I cant be bothered with them him dna and greenswhine refuse to accept this lot did a thing wrong.. its always someone elses fault..

now we have a treasurer who preens when someone says he is the worlds greatest treasurer yet when it come to all the dumb stuff guess what its some clerk in the office... not him at all.. they want a cut each way...it seems

lets see if they give the treasurer for the Libs the same benefit of the doubt...

its hilarious really Even claiming a treasurer isnt responsible for his own BUDGET which just happens to be a prediction of the next 12 months...dont let on about that though.hence the massive booboo about the surplus no ifs or buts.. a guaranteed surplus..yet! but never fear it was some dill in the office that made that prediction.

I hardly even read John or dna's post any longer, cods.

Just excuse after excuse for Labor. No accountability at all.

People who are so biased, to either side, who can't see the forest from the trees, aren't worth listening to.

Hahahahahahah it's always a laugh to see you try to lecture someone on bias.

I've lectured, as you put it, biased Coalition voters, on it, as well.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #48 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:32pm

There's no courage in what she does....

She is a coward....motivated by fear and self interest

Her actions are dotted with example of this

(1) Cattle export
(2) Illegal entrants
(3) Budget surplus claims
(4) Calling leadership spill
(5) Back stabbing Rudd
(6) Playing the sexist card
(7) Playing the class warfare
(8) Implementing the carbon tax
(9) Implementing the union bias IR laws

this is just to name a few

She keeps repeating her message because she has nothing new to say and no one is listening

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #49 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:44pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:51pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 5:19pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:44pm:

she's hoping people will move beyond the glib one liners and the party rhetoric and have a really good look at what she has done and what Abbott is proposing ... it is only on that basis that she can ever hope to win.

Thats friggin hilarious, people have had a good look at what the twats done and thats why she's going to get annihilated at the next election, what you're really trying to say is she was hoping the electorate would suddenly become as stupid as she is. Grin

yes, what a bad government (sarcasm), steered the country through the GFC virtually unscathed, kept low unemployment despite the global conditions, kept the economy growing ... how dare she, much better to believe the old 'lies, can't be trusted, interest rates will always be lower under a liberal govt.' rhetoric thatyou are so fond of, ain't that right woofie ...

Don't forget the 3-word slogans...
It's about all they can digest in one go.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #50 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:51pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:04pm:

In a rating system of A through to F, I would grade Gillard about a B- on policy ideas.
Her Government hasn't been that bad in what they have proposed over the whole course of the parliament.

Her problem is where she gets the worst grade and that's marketing.

I'd give her and her Government an F in selling the policies to the electorate.

Tell someone who gives a sh!t about what you think.

Have a nice day, y'all.....

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #51 - May 21^st, 2013 at 8:55pm

cods wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:02pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:31pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:09pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.You just excuse anything Labor says and does.Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

Here we go, the 'swing' voter who has never missed an opportunity to criticise labor.

How would he know if not for his advisors? Do you think he goes to some office to check receipts and expenditure for the day? I agree that he was stupid for making such an iron clad guarantee on a prediction of a future event, but that is irrelevant. A politician is at the mercy of their advisors. This isn't about excusing Swan, it's about not letting you morons get away with making stupid comments. Do you think Hockey works out his own figures or do you think he has someone else do them for him?

Being a swing voter I criticise both when I see firm, and I think this is the worst government of my lifetome, from either side.

I am not so blindly rusted-on to be as biased as you are.

Yes, I think that Swan and any other treasurer, for that point, should be actively checking receipts, as you put it, not just listening to their advisors.

What's the point of having them there otherwise?

I doubt very much that Swan or any other treasurer ever see's a receipt whilst they are treasurer. All they see are reports from their advisors. Do you think he should also check everybody's tax return? Besides, how do you check a receipt on a future forcast? Get real ... these are politicians, they are ideas people, they come up with policies (even then, most times it's someone elses idea that they 'borrow'), the real work is done by others.

You may think this is the worst govt. in history, but the facts don't support that. Leave the rhetoric behind and look at the facts. Prove that you really are a swing voter instead of just repeating bullsh1t all day.

really yet you have a treasurer you claim isnt responsible for the financial mess we are in its some dickhead in the office......... and that means the plumber is running the health dept...and the pencil sharpener is running the education dept..... WOW at least it gives us a better idea why the place is rapidly going down hill

you are to stupid for your own good ... if you had any brains you wouldn't comment on something you've obvioulsy no idea about ... we are not in a financial mess, what is your basis for this comment? every economist on the planet is saying different, but noooo, Cods knows better. You always refer to others as rusted on and at the same time fail to recognise that you yourself are just as guilty as the next person .

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #52 - May 21^st, 2013 at 9:00pm

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:08pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:31pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:09pm:

john_g wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Come on John, I know that you're biased and one-eyed, but this is just pathetic.Swan was stupid to say over 300 times that there would be a surplus, and even say that it HAD been delivered.You just excuse anything Labor says and does.Surely the Treasurer of Australia should have some idea of whether or not we are going to get a surplus.

Here we go, the 'swing' voter who has never missed an opportunity to criticise labor.

How would he know if not for his advisors? Do you think he goes to some office to check receipts and expenditure for the day? I agree that he was stupid for making such an iron clad guarantee on a prediction of a future event, but that is irrelevant. A politician is at the mercy of their advisors. This isn't about excusing Swan, it's about not letting you morons get away with making stupid comments. Do you think Hockey works out his own figures or do you think he has someone else do them for him?

Being a swing voter I criticise both when I see firm, and I think this is the worst government of my lifetome, from either side.

I am not so blindly rusted-on to be as biased as you are.

Yes, I think that Swan and any other treasurer, for that point, should be actively checking receipts, as you put it, not just listening to their advisors.

What's the point of having them there otherwise?

I doubt very much that Swan or any other treasurer ever see's a receipt whilst they are treasurer. All they see are reports from their advisors. Do you think he should also check everybody's tax return? Besides, how do you check a receipt on a future forcast? Get real ... these are politicians, they are ideas people, they come up with policies (even then, most times it's someone elses idea that they 'borrow'), the real work is done by others.

You may think this is the worst govt. in history, but the facts don't support that. Leave the rhetoric behind and look at the facts. Prove that you really are a swing voter instead of just repeating bullsh1t all day.

Then what are we paying them to do?

Me thinking that this is the worst government doesn't mean that I am not a swing voter.

It means I am a realist.

no, it means you are unrealistic. On what basis is it the worst government? Gillard lied about the tax? Howard lied about many things ... opps, that makes him worse. Swan got the predictions wrong? so did Costello, although he was lucky that the global conditions meant his predicitions went the other way ... high unemployment? high interest rates? what? on what basis ? just admit you don't like this government, and stop trying to find excuses. Also stop pretending you are a swinging voter ... you've already decided you won't vote for Gillard no matter what, that makes you just as rusted on as someone who has supported the libs for 50 yrs.

you wouldn't know what reality was if it fell on you.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #53 - May 21^st, 2013 at 9:02pm

Lobo wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:04pm:

In a rating system of A through to F, I would grade Gillard about a B- on policy ideas.
Her Government hasn't been that bad in what they have proposed over the whole course of the parliament.

Her problem is where she gets the worst grade and that's marketing.

I'd give her and her Government an F in selling the policies to the electorate.

Tell someone who gives a sh!t about what you think.

Have a nice day, y'all.....

I actually agree with him on that. ... ever since Gillard got in she hasn't been able to sell a single thing properly. Labor has let Abbott call the shots on everything. I don't know who their media advisors are, but they should sack the lot of them.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #54 - May 21^st, 2013 at 9:04pm

One must question what advise the Coalition will accept if they win Government.....They have criticised the Australian treasury with unfounded claims of bias.....They have ignored findings from the CSIRO that have questioned their Direct Action Policy.....They defied the UN and invaded Iraq based on their own lies.....They ridicule the IPCC and support the likes of Lord Monkton.....They ignore most economists and brush off adverse findings about there costings.....They ridicule the IMF and Australia's AAA credit rating.....They ignore the EPA and legislate policies that harm the environment.....They talk down the Australian economy yet claim it is only in good shape because of Howard and Costello.....It seams the only people Abbott will listen to are Gina Rinehart Rupert Murdoch and George Pell.....Who will be running this country if Abbott slithers into the top job in September....It certainly wont be anyone who tells the truth to the Mad Monk???

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #55 - May 21^st, 2013 at 10:20pm

philperth2010 wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 9:04pm:

One must question what advise the Coalition will accept if they win Government.....They have criticised the Australian treasury with unfounded claims of bias.....

The Coalition criticise Swannie fudging the figures

Treasury have been very clear in 2009/10 that we won't get back into surplus until 2015

Swannie then twisted that figure around and promised a surplus 2013

So get your statements correct

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #56 - May 21^st, 2013 at 10:23pm

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 9:02pm:

Lobo wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:04pm:

In a rating system of A through to F, I would grade Gillard about a B- on policy ideas.
Her Government hasn't been that bad in what they have proposed over the whole course of the parliament.

Her problem is where she gets the worst grade and that's marketing.

I'd give her and her Government an F in selling the policies to the electorate.

Tell someone who gives a sh!t about what you think.

Have a nice day, y'all.....

I actually agree with him on that. ... ever since Gillard got in she hasn't been able to sell a single thing properly. Labor has let Abbott call the shots on everything. I don't know who their media advisors are, but they should sack the lot of them.

I also agree however I am not sure we know how well she has sold the story - nobody has been willing to print it.

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #58 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 9:13am

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:01pm:

Socrates wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 6:58pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Socrates wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 3:10pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 1:12pm:

Even if you detest her, her team, her party & her policies (guilty!), you have to hand it to her as a gutsy, back-to-the-wall fighter.
If she's going to go down (and I hope she does), she's going to go down fighting.
She sticks on her message whatever they throw at her.
I doffs me lid to her as one tough cookie.

No I"m afraid I can't agree with that Bogie. She"s just a bitter old tart who is determined to make life awkward for TA before she loses the election. No admiration here just pure contempt for a lying, cheating, incompetent loser.

you sound much more bitter than she does ....

You sound like a labor fool following the yellow brick road to nowhere. I guess duplicity comes naturally to you lot........simple minds will believe anything.....boohoo.....

so you agree that you do sound bitter then?

Not at all fool, the Coalition will be the next government, why the bugger would I be bitter.......

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Re: You've got to give Gillard an A+ for guts
Reply #59 - May 22^nd, 2013 at 9:43am

Dnarever wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 10:23pm:

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 9:02pm:

Lobo wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 8:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 21^st, 2013 at 7:04pm:

In a rating system of A through to F, I would grade Gillard about a B- on policy ideas.
Her Government hasn't been that bad in what they have proposed over the whole course of the parliament.

Her problem is where she gets the worst grade and that's marketing.

I'd give her and her Government an F in selling the policies to the electorate.

Tell someone who gives a sh!t about what you think.

Have a nice day, y'all.....

I actually agree with him on that. ... ever since Gillard got in she hasn't been able to sell a single thing properly. Labor has let Abbott call the shots on everything. I don't know who their media advisors are, but they should sack the lot of them.

I also agree however I am not sure we know how well she has sold the story - nobody has been willing to print it.

OHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO N OT ANOTHER EXCUSE... one minute the media print all lies the next they dont print it at all...boy dna you must spend your whole life running through one media outlet after another.. checking out whos doing the right/wrong thing by gillard..

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