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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #135 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:14pm Quote: It would make you look smarter if you stopped going on about things you don’t understand. Obsessing over looking smarter is another feature of the 115-120 IQ range personality. Geniuses often try to hide their intelligence so as to fit in.
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Reply #136 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:17pm

... wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 10:15am:

Sorry honky but you are wrong
a quick look at past times even in western society shows that "beauty" and it's parameters have changed.

Not really. Superficial fads come and go but things like waist/hip ratio, youth and facial symmetry are universal and timeless. Maybe if you read the article I posted from psychologytoday.com, rather than sticking with psychology50yearsago.com, you'd be a bit more up to speed. But somehow, I think you've grown quite comfortable with your ignorance.

good grief... having read it and many besides over many years and having done psychology etc, etc, etc.... being a man and having life experience and not falling outside the norm parameters I think I may just have a clue about this honky.

Like I said you are wrong.

fashions do change so do the parameters for natural beauty and hence the learned parameters change.
Culturally the needs of men and woman are different and their roles and expectations different most are not genetically based.

You know you can even google proof of what I've said. Do me a favour and do it and save me posting heaps of crap everyone else apparently but you knows.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #137 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:25pm Grendel wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:17pm: Like I said you are wrong. you are but what am I?
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Fit of Absent Mindeness Gold Member Offline We need more fits of absent mindedness Posts: 1622 Brisbane Gender:	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #138 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:31pm
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Reply #139 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:38pm

quote taken from honky's gay role model Karnal.

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Choice fits in when people experiment and try new things.

Usually honky, except perhaps for you and your 5 year old exploits... sex raises its head around puberty, that is when we are exposed as it were to more and more stimuli and relationships of the physical kind usually start... usually in small increments BTW. The vast majority of people stick to the learned and socially "acceptable" hetero norm

Bobbie, for example, was once a devout virgin prude.

ta daaaaa...

But before long, he decided to give it a go and made the plunge.

He's not cured yet, but he's exploring his sexuality and discovering untold new pleasures.

Oh my god! Could it be? His sexuality is being formed from experience... his preferences are going to depend on what he chooses because of his experiences?

He realises now that people are born bi-curious.

Hmm born bi-curious? Doubt it. Lets leave the babies out of it. I doubt they have any sexual curiosity. Puberty hormones and all that... also I'd think people just grow up and become SEXUALLY CURIOUS.

Rather than being stuck in a rut, performing the same tired actions day after day after day, Bobbie chooses to renew himself each and every day.

People are not heteronormative by nature, they're polymorphous.

Is this your gay icon telling you people are not born gay or straight? Could it be? Damn would a gay person say they actually chose to be sexually active in the way they prefer through experience?

I can give you some good readings from the faculty, Honky, if you'd like to join the club.

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Reply #140 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:47pm

Don't worry Grendel.

One day you'll find the man of your dreams and you can then choose to be gay.

When you do - he'll rock your world

Why do you think being gay is a choice?

If being gay is a choice - why should we be precluded from marrying who we love?

What is the reason you are against marriage equality?

BTW - these are serious questions - it interests me that some people who are against marriage equality cannot explain why.

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #141 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 3:05pm Just let them get married and be miserable like everyone else. Then hopefully they’ll STFU.
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Reply #142 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 3:21pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:47pm:

Don't worry Grendel.

One day you'll find the man of your dreams and you http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/right.gifcan then choose to be gay.

When you do - he'll rock your world

Why do you think being gay is a choice?

If being gay is a choice - why should we be precluded from marrying who we love?

What is the reason you are against marriage equality?

BTW - these are serious questions - it interests me that some people who are against marriage equality cannot explain why.

You are a sad individual aren't you.
keep chewing the bitter pills.

How would you know if I was gay or not?

I have many gay friends who do not want to get married. It is not a part of their lifestyle and doesn't even come into their thinking.

I've already spoken about love and equality here IC1. pity you missed it eh?

Just because you love someone doesn't mean you will be married to them.

Marriage is the union of a man and a woman.

Marriage is primarily about children and family not love lust and all the airy fairy crap. It is a serious business.

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Marriage by definition is between a man and a woman. It recognises the unique biological reality of sexual union between a man and a woman; a union that produces children. Its institutional importance is in solidifying the responsibility and bonds between biological parents and children through societal norms and legal obligations. It also presents as an ideal the right of a child to a mother and a father. A homosexual union, no matter how much the two people may love each other, can never produce children together through becoming one in sexual union. Thus marriage is by definition a heterosexual construct with biological foundations. So while heterosexual infertile couples have still had their relationships recognised as marriages, it is the principle of biological union that underpins marriage.

As a society, we have already recognised the huge importance of children being connected to their biological parents. In our apology to the Stolen Generations, whether foster homes were loving or not, we recognised that to deny children the connection to their biological parents was detrimental.

Once marriage ceases to be grounded in the biological reality of the male and female union, it becomes nothing more than an institution centred around emotional attachment with the added inconvenience of having to file for divorce. The expression of love within a monogamous relationship is not what makes marriage unique and if it were merely about love, then it would be ridiculous for the state to recognise it.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/in-their-own-words-australian-men-voice-their-opinions-for-or-against-same-sex-marriage/story-fnet09p2-1226658069714

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Reply #144 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 3:58pm

I'm not bitter at all!

Life is fantastic - I have partner of 8 1/2 years, we have a successful business and it just keeps getting better.

If anything - we are doing a lot better than those who are married, who have children and those who are against it.

Instead of caring what others are doing, We've gone on to live our lives and will be together forever.

I want to get married and will continue to lobby to do so and one day it will happen.

That's just it - even if we never get married, we'll still be together.

One last thing - you didn't answer any of my questions - I guess I'll have to stop being so inquisitive.

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Reply #145 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 4:02pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

I'm not bitter at all!

Life is fantastic - I have partner of 8 1/2 years, we have a successful business and it just keeps getting better.

If anything - we are doing a lot better than those who are married, who have children and those who are against it.

WTF? Which ones exactly?

Instead of caring what others are doing, We've gone on to live our lives and will be together forever.

LOL, oh of course you will dear

I want to get married and will continue to lobby to do so and one day it will happen.

That's just it - even if we never get married, we'll still be together.

One last thing - you didn't answer any of my questions - I guess I'll have to stop being so inquisitive.

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Fit of Absent Mindeness Gold Member Offline We need more fits of absent mindedness Posts: 1622 Brisbane Gender:	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #146 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 4:11pm If you think lack of marriage equality will mean there are no gay/lesbian people and that we won't form couples - your more deluded than I ever will be. If your with the one you just know!
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Reply #147 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 4:15pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

I'm not bitter at all!

Life is fantastic - I have partner of 8 1/2 years, we have a successful business and it just keeps getting better.

If anything - we are doing a lot better than those who are married, who have children and those who are against it.

Instead of caring what others are doing, We've gone on to live our lives and will be together forever.

I want to get married and will continue to lobby to do so and one day it will happen.

That's just it - even if we never get married, we'll still be together.

One last thing - you didn't answer any of my questions - I guess I'll have to stop being so inquisitive.

Of course you're doing better than those with children.
Mine cost me a fortune and they haven't even begun school yet.

But put simply I believe there is a moral issue with allowing gays to marry and I really don't want children put into that environment either.

I have no issue with gays per se. What they do behind closed doors is their business but I think there needs to be a degree of respect for social norms.

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Reply #148 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 4:19pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 4:11pm:

If you think lack of marriage equality will mean there are no gay/lesbian people and that we won't form couples - your more deluded than I ever will be.

If your with the one you just know!

The fact you think others think that, makes who deluded?

Just so you know, IC1, I don't need anyone to make me feel complete.
And I'm happy for other people to be happy... I am.
If I was gay I wouldn't want to get married, simply because marriage is between a man and a woman.

I simply can't understand the negative personal undercurrent of your statements to me. Be happy, not bitter, and don't be a hypocrite.

oh and I've never said gay people are delusional... why would I? Where does (strawman) crap like that come from.

oh and btw if I haven't answered all your questions I've answered most of them. A quick look back shows that. You may need to reread, not lie. The question is why do you ask me questions I have already answered?

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Reply #149 - Jun 7^th, 2013 at 4:47pm

... wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

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It would make you look smarter if you stopped going on about things you don’t understand.

Obsessing over looking smarter is another feature of the 115-120 IQ range personality. Geniuses often try to hide their intelligence so as to fit in.

And so they do. But the next time you go to mention "blank slate theory", try to remember that it doesn't exist.

Fools also try to hide their stupidity so as to fit. And so it goes. I find it best to talk about the things I know.

My reference to geniuses was an answer to an earlier Mistie post. Mistie, you see, is a Nietzschean.

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