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Reply #45 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 8:47pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

Any man or woman has equality in this already they can marry any member of the opposite sex that wants to marry them

thats, fine ... if you want to marry a member of the opposite, but it's hardly equal if you prefer someone of the same sex.
boy 1 ... wants to bugger girls so marries a girl, ends up with nagging wife but occasional sex
boy 2 wants to fck boys but has to marry a girl ... ends up with nagging wife and no sex

not equal.

Since marriage is between a man and a woman it is fine and equal...

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Reply #46 - Jun 4^th, 2013 at 8:48pm

... wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

Any man or woman has equality in this already they can marry any member of the opposite sex that wants to marry them

thats, fine ... if you want to marry a member of the opposite, but it's hardly equal if you prefer someone of the same sex.
boy 1 ... wants to bugger girls so marries a girl, ends up with nagging wife but occasional sex
boy 2 wants to fck boys but has to marry a girl ... ends up with nagging wife and no sex

not equal.

Well if the idea doesn't appeal to them, they could always just...not get married. Why make an issue when there is none?

Exactly

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Reply #47 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 6:19am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 5:20pm:

Same-sex marriage sets a "dangerous precedent" which could lead to sibling marriage or polygamy, says Lord Carey.

Nope. Its not a precedent since in order to bring in any of those other things new laws would have to be made. How about you look up precedent?

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Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals
Reply #48 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 9:33am

... wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 4^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

Any man or woman has equality in this already they can marry any member of the opposite sex that wants to marry them

thats, fine ... if you want to marry a member of the opposite, but it's hardly equal if you prefer someone of the same sex.
boy 1 ... wants to bugger girls so marries a girl, ends up with nagging wife but occasional sex
boy 2 wants to fck boys but has to marry a girl ... ends up with nagging wife and no sex

not equal.

Well if the idea doesn't appeal to them, they could always just...not get married. Why make an issue when there is none?

So not having formal recognition of a relationship is not an issue?

I love this - those that are saying there is no issue can already get married.

I have access to it but you can't because......

I don't like you, it's icky, I have issues with my own identity.

There wasn't an issue with black people having to sit at the back of the bus either.

This is what is humorous - all of the same arguments against have been put up by those against equal rights for women voting(because dogs got the vote!) and black people voting (because people then started to marry their brothers, sisters, a chair, printer cable, their dog!)

It amazes me that those against care so much about people that have no bearing on their life. I imagine it must be quite boring to think about what others are doing.

As for the "think about the children" line of thinking - who has gay babies?

Who has babies that are accidents?

It's not like gay people have sex and then say "oops, we occidentally signed up for IVF/Adoption!"

A real concern is - how would those who don't like gay people react if their children are gay?

Of course I know the answer to this - instead of loving the child unconditionally some of them disown the child. Only realising years down the road (when the child is grown up, has moved on and has their own life) how wrong they were.

Don't worry - gay people will continue to lobby for marriage equality and with each passing day it gets closer to reality.

This is why those who are against it are so loud - their getting worried that their view is no longer mainstream and that as more people deal with gay people and realise how boring and normal we actually are it's not so scary after all.

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Reply #49 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 9:43am

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

I love this - those that are saying there is no issue can already get married.

I have access to it but you can't because......

But that's just it - you do have access to it! The exact, precise same access that I do!

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It amazes me that those against care so much about people that have no bearing on their life. I imagine it must be quite boring to think about what others are doing

And yet here you are wailing about whether the government - that most impersonal of entities - validates your relationship. What bearing does THAT have on your life? And before you answer, consider that;

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However, since 1 July 2009, same-sex couples receive the same level of recognition as de facto opposite-sex couples in federal legislation including tax, health, superannuation, and aged care.

There is no issue.

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Reply #50 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 1:26pm

yep... it is not about equality
it is not about love

it is about marriage... the union of a man and a woman.

The issue isn't about homophobia or human rights. It is about lifestyle, choice, tradition and in some cases (perhaps, the majority) of Religion.

I know lots of people who are homosexual and guess what... they don't want to get married. Most "gay" people do not seek marriage. So who are you supposedly representing? The choice to be "gay" automatically excludes one from MARRIAGE, that being the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, a commitment to monogamy, the initiation of the natural family unit.

Face it choosing a "gay" lifestyle or relationship excludes one from having a family in the NATURAL context. IE a man and a woman, (husband and wife), having children. The tradition of marriage is based on this natural order. If I chose to be gay, I would accept this fact. No one is excluding anyone or trampling on anyone's human rights. No more than a Vegan is prevented from eating meat... it is a choice, made by the individual. Choices have consequences. If I choose to play Cricket, I cannot then expect everyone to call it Football, just because I wish it.

As long as same sex relationships are afforded the same legal rights as heterosexual relationships (and they do) then, lets all stop the pandering to a vocal minority who seek to change the language and the meaning of our words and get on with life.

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Reply #51 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 1:37pm

To those who say it's a choice - when did you choose to be gay? Did you try both and then choose women?

I can say I have tried both and can 100% say I'm gay!

As for your other opinions about gay people getting married to women - no thanks, this results in marriages being broken apart, men having unprotected sex with other men and endangering their wives with std's and other countless issues.

It's the cowards way out - men who are gay shouldn't marry women just because that's their only option.

As for defacto = marriage so there is no issue - wrong again.

The marriage act says "Between a man and a women for life" it was changed in 2004 to this definition.

Notice the "for life" part - we allow divorce and yet it says "for life". Not exactly upholding the sanctity of marriage with 50% of couples getting divorced.

Are you scared that gay couples have better relationships than straight couples?

Our 8 1/2 years and going strong pales in comparison to that 72 day marriage of kim karsh-whatever her name is.

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Reply #52 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 2:21pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

It's the cowards way out - men who are gay shouldn't marry women just because that's their only option.

Only option? WTF are you on son? get married, or don't - there's a choice.

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

As for defacto = marriage so there is no issue - wrong again.

there should be a difference, but there's not. What is the issue?

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Reply #53 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 3:04pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 1:37pm:

To those who say it's a choice - when did you choose to be gay? Did you try both and then choose women?

I can say I have tried both and can 100% say I'm gay!

As for your other opinions about gay people getting married to women - no thanks, this results in marriages being broken apart, men having unprotected sex with other men and endangering their wives with std's and other countless issues.

It's the cowards way out - men who are gay shouldn't marry women just because that's their only option.

As for defacto = marriage so there is no issue - wrong again.

The marriage act says "Between a man and a women for life" it was changed in 2004 to this definition.

Notice the "for life" part - we allow divorce and yet it says "for life". Not exactly upholding the sanctity of marriage with 50% of couples getting divorced.

Are you scared that gay couples have better relationships than straight couples?

Our 8 1/2 years and going strong pales in comparison to that 72 day marriage of kim karsh-whatever her name is.

hahaha... they keep proving my point.
This one thinks he's the only gay in the world.
He seems to think gays don't have unprotected sex or bad relationships Roll Eyes

If he really wanted to debate the facts he'd better bone-up on the subject.

I await his revelation that it's been proven people are born gay. That would make it in science papers and newspapers right round the world... hint... so far that is an unproven rumour started by gays.

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Reply #54 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 3:30pm

I'm not the only gay in the village - far from it. Not only do I not speak for all gltbq people, I also don't claim to speak for anyone else.

Now - who is it that is claiming the "moral" high ground/speaking on behalf of the "silent majority."

Here is your chance - as you are the expert on sexuality and think it's a choice - show me that being gay is a choice.

Show me the unbiased scientific evidence that backs this up.

When did you choose?

Does that mean you can choose to sleep with men as well?

What happens if one of your children is gay or lesbian?

I must work on converting people and check in on the updated "gay agenda."

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #55 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 3:49pm Makka wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 7:50pm: Has anyone heard social apologists pushing for marriage equality for any other group or is equality only worthy if you are a homosexual? The argument is for same sex marriage...in other words u can marry your drinking buddy if you're so inclined.
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Reply #56 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 5:06pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

Makka wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 7:50pm:

Has anyone heard social apologists pushing for marriage equality for any other group or is equality only worthy if you are a homosexual?

The argument is for same sex marriage...in other words u can marry your drinking buddy if you're so inclined.

That would be fine if your drinking buddy was of the opposite sex because marriage is the union of a man and a woman.

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Reply #57 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 5:10pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

I'm not the only gay in the village - far from it. Not only do I not speak for all gltbq people, I also don't claim to speak for anyone else.

Now - who is it that is claiming the "moral" high ground/speaking on behalf of the "silent majority."

Here is your chance - as you are the expert on sexuality and think it's a choice - show me that being gay is a choice.

Show me the unbiased scientific evidence that backs this up.

When did you choose?

Does that mean you can choose to sleep with men as well?

What happens if one of your children is gay or lesbian?

I must work on converting people and check in on the updated "gay agenda."

Honestly... you gotta lie and create strawmen to build an argument?

As for my sex and sexual preference that is my business.

Giving you one last chance to have a think about your questions before I CHOOSE to answer them and make you look sillier than you already do.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #58 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 7:46pm I don't think being gay is a choice, but I don't see why it matters if it is.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #59 - Jun 5^th, 2013 at 8:22pm It doesn't... because marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Ps. I don't think what you think about it counts. It is as yet unproven that one is born gay. Nature and Nurture baby.
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