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Reply #75 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:05pm

I'm sorry you still fail to understand honky.
I can't see how to make it clearer for you.
Perhaps you should lose the bias or the dislike of the bias you think I have.
I might be gay or bisexual yet you seem to presume otherwise. gay or heterosexual it doesn't effect the facts.
You are the one who seemed to think it was just genetic.
You are the one who cannot fathom choice in nurture.
One never stops learning and experiencing honky... does that help you any?

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Reply #77 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:10pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 8:33am:

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 8:28am:

You say I am creating a strawman argument,

Says the man who thinks the only opposition is based on the bible.

Show me where I said the only opposition was based on the bible?

There are those non religious people who are against it also.

Either way, it doesn't change the fact that their arguments always have the same themes too them.

When pressed about their arguments and whether they can show evidence they seem to go on the attack.

It's like they have no evidence, they don't like being challenged about their beliefs and don't like that their beliefs aren't shared by everyone.

Honky doesn't have beliefs, just vague, shadowy impulses. Unconscious urges. Reptlilian desires brought on by Pavlovian triggers. The whole thing's motivated by genetics, innit.

When Honky's beliefs are challenged, he just tells you what Dad said. Adam and Steve, anal fistulas, nature over nurture. I'm not sure he can respond to your post above, Icytone.

There's nothing about eugenics in it. Innit.

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Reply #79 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:16pm

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

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I can't see how to make it clearer for you.

You could start by answering the question you've been evading: Where does choice fit in?

Ah. Good question.

Choice fits in when people experiment and try new things.

Bobbie, for example, was once a devout virgin prude. But before long, he decided to give it a go and made the plunge.

He's not cured yet, but he's exploring his sexuality and discovering untold new pleasures.

He realises now that people are born bi-curious. Rather than being stuck in a rut, performing the same tired actions day after day after day, Bobbie chooses to renew himself each and every day.

People are not heteronormative by nature, they're polymorphous. I can give you some good readings from the faculty, Honky, if you'd like to join the club.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107132 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #80 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 12:07pm: I people knew what homos did they wouldn't support them: Karnal - don't eat da poo poo.
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Reply #81 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm

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You are the one who seemed to think it was just genetic.

So no matter how many times I state that it's a complex mix of nature AND nurture, I still belive it's entirely genetic? Why do I bother?

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You are the one who cannot fathom choice in nurture.

ask a hommer, and they'll tell you they knew they were gay from a very young age. I believe them, because I knew I was attracted to girls by age 6 - One does wonder how much choice a 5 or 6 year old has in their environment.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96694	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #82 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm ... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:12pm: Ahh karnal, glad you're here. Did you choose to be gay? Is that a pick up line? This one's taken, sister. You might like to try that bat character over in the corner. If you're up for some raw meat, that is.
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Reply #83 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:23pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

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I can't see how to make it clearer for you.

You could start by answering the question you've been evading: Where does choice fit in?

Ah. Good question.

Choice fits in when people experiment and try new things.

If you need to experiment to find out if you're attracted to the same sex, you're already in, or very close to, the gay end of the spectrum of gayness

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Reply #84 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:26pm

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

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You are the one who seemed to think it was just genetic.

So no matter how many times I state that it's a complex mix of nature AND nurture, I still belive it's entirely genetic? Why do I bother?

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You are the one who cannot fathom choice in nurture.

ask a hommer, and they'll tell you they knew they were gay from a very young age. I believe them, because I knew I was attracted to girls by age 6 - One does wonder how much choice a 5 or 6 year old has in their environment.

A number of hommers also converted later in life. Oscar Wilde is one. He had a happy marriage until he was seduced by a chappie. He said going back to women would be like going with cold mutton.

That ABC journalist who got busted for speed in Singapore is another. He made the switch in his late 30s. He'd never been interested in guys before that.

Many peope just go with the flow. Some people will have sex with anything. Some people can get turned on by anything.

These people are the ubermenschen Neitzsche mentioned, people who rise above the constraints of petty morality.

The rest of the human race merely grazes like cattle.

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Reply #85 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:32pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

He'd never been interested in guys before that.

He'd never admitted to being interested in guys before that, but one on the edges of the spectrum of gayness

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cannot choose to swing to the other side. One a scale of 1-100, 1 being the gayest gay and 100 being the heteroest hetero, a 51 may choose to be gay, but an 80 (or a 20) is steadfast in their orientation. There is some elasticity, but not enough to make a meaningful difference for the vast majority of people.

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Reply #86 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:32pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

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You are the one who seemed to think it was just genetic.

So no matter how many times I state that it's a complex mix of nature AND nurture, I still belive it's entirely genetic? Why do I bother?

Quote:

You are the one who cannot fathom choice in nurture.

ask a hommer, and they'll tell you they knew they were gay from a very young age. I believe them, because I knew I was attracted to girls by age 6 - One does wonder how much choice a 5 or 6 year old has in their environment.

A number of hommers also converted later in life. Oscar Wilde is one. He had a happy marriage until he was seduced by a chappie. He said going back to women would be like going with cold mutton.

That ABC journalist who got busted for speed in Singapore is another. He made the switch in his late 30s. He'd never been interested in guys before that.

Many peope just go with the flow. Some people will have sex with anything. Some people can get turned on by anything.

These people are the ubermenschen Neitzsche mentioned, people who rise above the constraints of petty morality.

The rest of the human race merely grazes like cattle.

would it be possible to get turned on by a selection of fine cheeses karmal (or is that carnal) Wink

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107132 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #87 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:33pm Karnal is a poof - backs against the wall when he's around.
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Reply #88 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:33pm

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

He'd never been interested in guys before that.

He'd never admitted to being interested in guys before that, but one on the edges of the spectrum of gayness

tm

cannot choose to swing to the other side. One a scale of 1-100, 1 being the gayest gay and 100 being the heteroest hetero, a 51 may choose to be gay. There is some elasticity, but not to make a meaningful difference for the vast majority of people.

Gee - that's scientific. How do you know all this, Honky?

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35241 Gender:	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #89 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:34pm i'm just not interested in feces. yuk, i feel quesy when i step in it, put the holiest of holies in the garbage disposal unit. ee gadds never
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