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Reply #90 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:34pm

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Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

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You are the one who seemed to think it was just genetic.

So no matter how many times I state that it's a complex mix of nature AND nurture, I still belive it's entirely genetic? Why do I bother?

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You are the one who cannot fathom choice in nurture.

ask a hommer, and they'll tell you they knew they were gay from a very young age. I believe them, because I knew I was attracted to girls by age 6 - One does wonder how much choice a 5 or 6 year old has in their environment.

A number of hommers also converted later in life. Oscar Wilde is one. He had a happy marriage until he was seduced by a chappie. He said going back to women would be like going with cold mutton.

That ABC journalist who got busted for speed in Singapore is another. He made the switch in his late 30s. He'd never been interested in guys before that.

Many peope just go with the flow. Some people will have sex with anything. Some people can get turned on by anything.

These people are the ubermenschen Neitzsche mentioned, people who rise above the constraints of petty morality.

The rest of the human race merely grazes like cattle.

would it be possible to get turned on by a selection of fine cheeses karmal (or is that carnal) Wink

It most certainly would. The old boy has tempted me on a number of occasions.

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Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals
Reply #92 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:37pm

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

He'd never been interested in guys before that.

He'd never admitted to being interested in guys before that, but one on the edges of the spectrum of gayness

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cannot choose to swing to the other side. One a scale of 1-100, 1 being the gayest gay and 100 being the heteroest hetero, a 51 may choose to be gay, but an 80 (or a 20) is steadfast in their orientation. There is some elasticity, but not enough to make a meaningful difference for the vast majority of people.

i'm not sure how much eleasticity there is, a vagina can strech for a 9 lb baby. lets see a homo push out a 9 lb turd

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Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals
Reply #93 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:37pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

He'd never been interested in guys before that.

He'd never admitted to being interested in guys before that, but one on the edges of the spectrum of gayness

tm

cannot choose to swing to the other side. One a scale of 1-100, 1 being the gayest gay and 100 being the heteroest hetero, a 51 may choose to be gay. There is some elasticity, but not to make a meaningful difference for the vast majority of people.

Gee - that's scientific. How do you know all this, Honky?

1.because I'm a genius.
2.because I am learned.

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In the fullness of time...

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Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals
Reply #94 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:52pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

A number of hommers also converted later in life. Oscar Wilde is one. He had a happy marriage until he was seduced by a chappie. He said going back to women would be like going with cold mutton.

That ABC journalist who got busted for speed in Singapore is another. He made the switch in his late 30s. He'd never been interested in guys before that.

Many peope just go with the flow. Some people will have sex with anything. Some people can get turned on by anything.

These people are the ubermenschen Neitzsche mentioned, people who rise above the constraints of petty morality.

The rest of the human race merely grazes like cattle.

They would like to think they're Ubermensch. The gay, lesbian and bi-sexuals in the academe certainly do think they are different and above the mundane "hetronormative" people. But sticking your dick into a few holes or muff diving is far removed from a Nietzschean Ubermensch.

The Ubermensch is a creator, a law-giver, and highly stoic. Think Jesus, Napoleon, or maybe Goethe.

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Reply #95 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:58pm

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I can't see how to make it clearer for you.

You could start by answering the question you've been evading: Where does choice fit in?

I already answered you.
just how dumb are you? Roll Eyes

Here let me help again... when you have sex do you choose your partner? Do you choose the type of sex you have? Or do you just let people rape you... which dear honky is also a choice.

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Reply #96 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:03pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

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I can't see how to make it clearer for you.

You could start by answering the question you've been evading: Where does choice fit in?

I already answered you.
just how dumb are you? Roll Eyes

Here let me help again... when you have sex do you choose your partner? Do you choose the type of sex you have? Or do you just let people rape you... which dear honky is also a choice.

We have the ability to choose our partners and the type of sex we have, however, we can not choose who we are attracted to.

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Reply #97 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:03pm

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

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You are the one who seemed to think it was just genetic.

So no matter how many times I state that it's a complex mix of nature AND nurture, I still belive it's entirely genetic? Why do I bother?

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You are the one who cannot fathom choice in nurture.

ask a hommer, and they'll tell you they knew they were gay from a very young age. I believe them, because I knew I was attracted to girls by age 6 - One does wonder how much choice a 5 or 6 year old has in their environment.

Ok I give in you are an idiot.
one who led a very sheltered life by the sound of it.
Were you sexually attracted to girls at 5 honky...? my my my you were very progressive for your age. Grin

Do I ignore you and your stupidity or keep leading you around by the nose letting you continue to make stupid statements and assumptions?
Ah that is the question. Grin

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Reply #98 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:06pm

so honky am I to assume you accept that Karnal is a genuine homosexual? You inferred as much.

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He realises now that people are born bi-curious. Rather than being stuck in a rut, performing the same tired actions day after day after day, Bobbie chooses to renew himself each and every day.

need I point out various aspects of this post for you too?

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Reply #99 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:08pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

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I can't see how to make it clearer for you.

You could start by answering the question you've been evading: Where does choice fit in?

Ah. Good question.

Choice fits in when people experiment and try new things.

Bobbie, for example, was once a devout virgin prude. But before long, he decided to give it a go and made the plunge.

He's not cured yet, but he's exploring his sexuality and discovering untold new pleasures.

He realises now that people are born bi-curious. Rather than being stuck in a rut, performing the same tired actions day after day after day, Bobbie chooses to renew himself each and every day.

People are not heteronormative by nature, they're polymorphous. I can give you some good readings from the faculty, Honky, if you'd like to join the club.

pretty good answer karnal... but only pretty good.
you are right though he has no clue where choice and nurture fits in apparently.

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Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals
Reply #100 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:03pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

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I can't see how to make it clearer for you.

You could start by answering the question you've been evading: Where does choice fit in?

I already answered you.
just how dumb are you? Roll Eyes

Here let me help again... when you have sex do you choose your partner? Do you choose the type of sex you have? Or do you just let people rape you... which dear honky is also a choice.

We have the ability to choose our partners and the type of sex we have, however, we can not choose who we are attracted to.

Yes I agree with this. Sexual attraction isn't a "social construction". There's definitely something biological about it (which is a given when you consider its main purpose).

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Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals
Reply #101 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

He'd never been interested in guys before that.

He'd never admitted to being interested in guys before that, but one on the edges of the spectrum of gayness

tm

cannot choose to swing to the other side. One a scale of 1-100, 1 being the gayest gay and 100 being the heteroest hetero, a 51 may choose to be gay, but an 80 (or a 20) is steadfast in their orientation. There is some elasticity, but not enough to make a meaningful difference for the vast majority of people.

See karnal... YOU were wrong.
Honky knew Oscar and all about him he knows Oscar just never admitted it.
Voila... no choice involved Roll Eyes

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Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals
Reply #102 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:03pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

... wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

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I can't see how to make it clearer for you.

You could start by answering the question you've been evading: Where does choice fit in?

I already answered you.
just how dumb are you? Roll Eyes

Here let me help again... when you have sex do you choose your partner? Do you choose the type of sex you have? Or do you just let people rape you... which dear honky is also a choice.

We have the ability to choose our partners and the type of sex we have, however, we can not choose who we are attracted to.

getting back on topic just for a moment...

We also can't marry everyone we are attracted to either. Imagine the size of that polygamous relationship. Grin

BTW sometimes we cannot choose our partners and there of course also, the rejection thingy.

Would it surprise you that attraction is relative and can change during a lifetime? Why do you suppose that happens? Shouldn't happen if we were genetically wired for one sex or the other, right?

oh and would you believe that people attracted to the opposite sex can indulge in sex with people of the same sex? hard to believe eh... who'd think they'd ever choose to do that.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals Reply #103 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:24pm Oh and I almost forgot... there are people not sexually attracted to anyone... yet they too can be in an intimate relationship... doing their duty. gee whiz... must have missed out on that gene altogether eh.
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Re: Marriage equality only for homosexuals
Reply #104 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:25pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

oh and would you believe that people attracted to the opposite sex can indulge in sex with people of the same sex? hard to believe eh... who'd think they'd ever choose to do that.

Of course I can believe that: I just said as much in my previous post.

"We have the ability to choose our partners and the type of sex we have, however, we can not choose who we are attracted to."

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