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Reply #255 - May 27^th, 2013 at 10:02am

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Exciting to battle against dictators isn't it? Yet how well is Australia doing? A dictatorship runs for the course of the rulers natural life. A monarchy runs forever.
And y'know splitting a dictatorship into two parts and calling them 'A CHOICE'. Who'd be fooled by that sort of malarkey?

In anycase, say we had a dictatorship in Australia, how'd you be with China invading to 'save us'?

The point is, we are not going to save ourselves.

The human condition precludes any chance of that.

Romans 7:19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Is there a solution to our human dilemma ?

Yes, there is!

But we are not can never be, the authors of that solution.

What we need to do, is to come to acknowledge our nature.

If we will do that, then that 'choice', in turn, will lead us to the knowledge that we need to come to embrace.

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

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Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Reply #256 - May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 7:26am:

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:52am:

It's just that these two guys are nothing but idiots.

You were doing okay until you soiled yourself by making this Useful Idiot apologist statement.

The Muslim community should be paying you a fee for propagandising on their behalf.

Let's re-write your sentence with a little more attention to what actually prompted these two Englishmen to do what they did. (They are not 'Nigerians' and they are not 'foreigners'. They are UK-born Englishmen, born and bred).

Here we go, Mr Grey. Thank you for being patient.

Original: "It's just that these two guys are nothing but idiots".

De-coded version: "It's just that these two killers are nothing but Fundamentalist Muslims".

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:52am:

Put them down by all means, but no political significance can be attributed to the action of lunatics.

Instant de-coding ...".... to the actions of activist fundamentalist Muslims".

You can say these things if you lose your fear, Mr Grey. It doesn't make you a bad person to state the truth on behalf of identifying creeds and dogmas that are inimical to the current and future good health of your own society.

These killers took their authority from Islam. Your tongue won't turn to stone if you dare to enunciate these words.

Try it yourself ...

"These killers took their authority from Islam"...

(No. You won't be excommunicated and burn in Hell for saying that).

Are the people of the Westboro baptist church christians or loony tunes?

These guys stated ambition was to start a war in London. That was never going to happen. Londoners are not that excitable, a trait that's carried over into Australia I think.

These are the facts. Islam is no nuttier than Christianity; not that that is any recommendation. The vast majority of Muslims are decent, law abiding and moderate people who pay as much lip service to their religion as most Christians. It's basically the same religion. The religion of Abraham, which splits with the monotonous regularity as an amoeba. Actually that's unfair to amoeba which split to procreate, they don't immediatly sit around thinking of ways to attack each other.

The number of Muslims so virulently anti west as to commit acts of terror against the society they live in is vanishingly small. A lot carry a certain resentment for wrongs committed by the 'west' against Muslim lands. In particular the on going genocide against the Palestinian people has stirred a lot of emotion.

But when I say 'a lot' I still mean a minority. Most muslims are as politically apathetic as anybody else. Acts of terrorism are designed to create reactions like yours that make all Muslims 'the enemy'. You're the 'useful idiot' pal.

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Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Reply #257 - May 27^th, 2013 at 10:35am

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:45am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

http://www.folkodyssey-themagazine.com/images/photos-9-july-06/z60718-3-ass-men....

1.42 million dead Iraqis
236,000 dead Afgans

Both were Police State dictatorships which tolerated no personal freedoms.

Now they are democracies being rebuilt at the expence of foreigners.

How lucky can they be?

You forgot to postup how many foreign soldiers were killed to rid these countries of their dictatorships. An unintentional oversight, I'm sure.

Where did you get the idea that freedom comes at no cost?

Here are a few more stats: Lives lost to fight against Nazi or Japanese dictatorship:

Australia .... 40,000
France ....... 500,000
Holland ...... 300,000
UK ............. 451,000

Russia ... just civilians ALONE: 4 million lives lost.

Question: Is it morally good or morally bad to lift Police State dictatorships off the shoulders of whole nations of people?

Question: Is it realistic to assume that this can be accomplished without loss of life?

And could we please have a word from you about the continuing incidence of mass-murder of Iraqis by other Iraqis? Some words of condemnation perhaps ~ with this being no one's fault but their own.

Thank you.

Exciting to battle against dictators isn't it? Yet how well is Australia doing? A dictatorship runs for the course of the rulers natural life. A monarchy runs forever.
And y'know splitting a dictatorship into two parts and calling them 'A CHOICE'. Who'd be fooled by that sort of malarkey?

In anycase, say we had a dictatorship in Australia, how'd you be with China invading to 'save us'?

This is my dream scenario (the china of today that is )
chinese ruthless business efficiency . their hard work, their intolerance of fools, their no non sense attitude to the chattering classes.
i welcome our chinese overlords who are currently buying up the country and will soon be in control, whether they come by their military or economic machines.
keep an eye out for the cost of manufacturing when the next round of natural gas sales to china kick in. the ones where the aussie suppliers will supply gas to china at 10 % the cost they will sell gas on the domestic market in australia (bye bye ford).
the chinese are SOOOO much smarter business people than dumb aussie hicks. we deserve this takeover and i for one am learning mandarin Wink

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Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Reply #258 - May 27^th, 2013 at 11:07am

... wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 10:11pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

http://www.folkodyssey-themagazine.com/images/photos-9-july-06/z60718-3-ass-men....

1.42 million dead Iraqis
236,000 dead Afgans

Which one is the guy who got beheaded on the street?

....I am sure God has a list of ACCEPTABLE moral crimes and murders, the ones you class as necessary, and another list of UNACCEPTABLE crimes.

good luck with that moral relativism!

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Reply #259 - May 27^th, 2013 at 11:11am

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Exciting to battle against dictators isn't it?

Relevance Factor (RF)? Zero.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Yet how well is Australia doing? A dictatorship runs for the course of the rulers natural life.

No sons? Nobody to perpetuate the Rule by Dictatorship after Lenin / Hitler / Mao / Pol Pot / Castro / Peron / et al have died?

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

A monarchy runs forever.

Relevance Factor (RF)? Zero.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

And y'know splitting a dictatorship into two parts and calling them 'A CHOICE'. Who'd be fooled by that sort of malarkey?

You didn't SWALLOW that Little Red Book, did you? You're only supposed to read it.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

In anycase, say we had a dictatorship in Australia, how'd you be with China invading to 'save us'?

Wonderful. Just like the Yanks they would lose 1000's of their own men to re-establish democracy here, and then they would pour billions of Yuan into the country to rebuild it from the war damage.

And then they would ... are you ready for this?
.... LEAVE, after which we would once again be our own sovereign nation.

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Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Reply #260 - May 27^th, 2013 at 11:11am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 6:45am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 26^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

http://www.folkodyssey-themagazine.com/images/photos-9-july-06/z60718-3-ass-men....

1.42 million dead Iraqis
236,000 dead Afgans

Australia .... 40,000
France ....... 500,000
Holland ...... 300,000
UK ............. 451,000

Russia ... just civilians ALONE: 4 million lives lost.

These dictatorships that you refer to are almost all supported and popped up by the West - in particular the USA.

And we all know why don't we ladies and gentlemen!!!

Incidentally, the Soviet Union lost about 21 million people to the Nazis during WW2.

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Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Reply #261 - May 27^th, 2013 at 11:13am

aquascoot wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

This is my dream scenario (the china of today that is )
chinese ruthless business efficiency . their hard work, their intolerance of fools, their no non sense attitude to the chattering classes.
i welcome our chinese overlords who are currently buying up the country and will soon be in control, whether they come by their military or economic machines.
keep an eye out for the cost of manufacturing when the next round of natural gas sales to china kick in. the ones where the aussie suppliers will supply gas to china at 10 % the cost they will sell gas on the domestic market in australia (bye bye ford).
the chinese are SOOOO much smarter business people than dumb aussie hicks. we deserve this takeover and i for one am learning mandarin Wink

I couldn't agree with you more.

I'm learning Cantonese and how to skin a cat. Grin

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Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Reply #263 - May 27^th, 2013 at 12:13pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 23^rd, 2013 at 3:53pm:

It's nonsense that only the Labour Party has sponsored the immigration of a people whose religion is hostile to everything we Westerners stand for.

Howard ~ just as with Malcolm Fraser and the others before him ~ was just as committed to the genocide-by-immigration of the dinki di Aussie as ever was the Labour party.

Not even Gough Whitlam, Bob Hawke or Paul Keating opened the gates for black African refugees. They had the good sense to know this would be a recipe for guaranteed black ghettoes and all the problems that these give rise to.

But then John Howard opened the gate ....

Correct. Those who dont understand this are not good students of history. It was Malcom Fraser who opened up the gates for the Vietnamese boat people. Consequently he was also responsible for the "family reunion" immigration programmes under which large numbers of criminal elements managed to immigrate here under the guise of this policy. Later, Howard was the most strident detractor and then political destroyer of Pauline Hanson who was giving us all a timely warning. Howard then opened the floodgates for African and middle eastern immigration resulting in the large numberr of 5th columnist "Australian citizens" we now have. We are now in a fight for the cultural integrity of this country, most of the useful idiots who insist on blaming Labour incprrectly for this disaster simply have no idea and no knowledge of the subject.

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Re: Muslim men hack British soldier to death in London
Reply #265 - May 27^th, 2013 at 1:44pm

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

We need to have a mandatory death penalty for terrorists & so does England.

That would stop these terrorist acts.

Considering that most of these terrorist acts are done by people who either;

1) blow themselves up
or
2) go down guns firing

I'm sure the fear of execution will way heavily on their mind...

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Reply #266 - May 27^th, 2013 at 1:59pm

Quantum wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

We need to have a mandatory death penalty for terrorists & so does England.

That would stop these terrorist acts.

Considering that most of these terrorist acts are done by people who either;

1) blow themselves up
or
2) go down guns firing

I'm sure the fear of execution will way heavily on their mind...

Quantum,

Many people like bobby, like to crack walnuts with a sledgehammer.

We need a more 'directed' response.

A response which will motivate respect for, and the fear of, non-moslems, in moslems!

General Jack Pershing had the correct approach/attitude, imo.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #267 - May 27^th, 2013 at 2:35pm

Yadda wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

We need a more 'directed' response.

A response which will motivate respect for, and the fear of, non-moslems, in moslems!

I've already stated what i think, should be done......

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366162198/22#22
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Q.
WHAT SHOULD BE THE RESPONSE OF NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITIES [to moslem lawlessness] ?

IMO, our broader societies and our individual communities [in the 'West'], are rapidly descending into open lawlessness and open violence.

[And imo, moslem immigration [into Western nations] is just exasperating that situation.]

Is that characterisation of our society [i.e. the descending into open lawlessness] an exaggeration ?

And if that characterisation is accurate, what can be done, if anything ?

IF WE WANT PEACE [in our communities], then we [as individuals] must be willing to choose >> to separate ourselves << from those who choose to embrace LAWLESSNESS.

The popular argument about a 'cultural' clash, is >> NOT << about those people being from a different race, or about those people being from a different culture.

And this argument is not about 'racism'.

But this argument >>is << about LAWLESSNESS, and whether we choose to now accept a 'culture' of LAWLESSNESS, among us.

And it is about whether we now choose to accept a 'culture' of LAWLESSNESS being >> imposed << upon us.

This argument >> is << about people from a different race or from a different culture, making a conscious choice to reject the mores and laws of this, our [host] culture.
[e.g. The choice, by immigrants, of coming to our country, and societies, and yet refusing to accept and embrace the mores and laws of our culture, and societies.]

[And by the way, i also acknowledge, that today there is a culture of lawlessness that is found among some [many?] Anglo and European 'Aussies'.]

IMO, the widespread embrace [and 'tolerance'] of LAWLESSNESS by the members of a society, will [morally] weaken and eventually destroy a culture/society.

So, what should be the response of non-moslem communities [to moslem lawlessness] ?

If we 'gift' freedom to moslems, moslems will abuse the freedoms that we gift to them.

And moslems will not abandon their culture [of lawlessness, towards 'disbelievers'].

So, again;
IF WE WANT PEACE [in our communities], then we [as individuals] must be willing to choose >> to separate ourselves << from those who choose to embrace LAWLESSNESS - whether they be moslems, or they be any other group or individual.

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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."

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"If you want to know a man's character, give him power."

Abraham Lincoln

Political power in the hands of man, can be used for good, or, for evil.

Q.
When somewhere in the world, a moslem authority [n.b. an ISLAMIC inspired authority] gains power, what do they moslems invariably do with that power ???

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Reply #268 - May 27^th, 2013 at 3:08pm

Yadda wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:59pm:

Quantum wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

We need to have a mandatory death penalty for terrorists & so does England.

That would stop these terrorist acts.

Considering that most of these terrorist acts are done by people who either;

1) blow themselves up
or
2) go down guns firing

I'm sure the fear of execution will way heavily on their mind...

Quantum,

Many people like bobby, like to crack walnuts with a sledgehammer.

We need a more 'directed' response.

A response which will motivate respect for, and the fear of, non-moslems, in moslems!

General Jack Pershing had the correct approach/attitude, imo.

http://cdn.stripersonline.com/f/fb/fb166a4c_vbattach304488.jpg

Wow - General Black knew what to do!

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Reply #269 - May 27^th, 2013 at 3:25pm

Quantum wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

We need to have a mandatory death penalty for terrorists & so does England.

That would stop these terrorist acts.

Considering that most of these terrorist acts are done by people who either;

1) blow themselves up
or
2) go down guns firing

I'm sure the fear of execution will way heavily on their mind...

But Quantum,
If you watch the video below you'll see how sad a hanging is -
just listen to the speech from the poor Irish guy.

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