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Socrates wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:33pm:



Socrates - you can't punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty.

Socrates wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:


That's debatable.

There are a couple of really nasty passages in the Koran that you can't find in the Bible.

Number One in importance is that if you should renounce your Islamic faith ~ then God help you if Allah's Little Helpers should catch up with you on the orders of a Death Fatwa.

In Britain there is a special government agency that protects apostates of Islam. Names are changed. Secret new locations are arranged for them to move to. Official papers of identification are hidden or altered.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:


Many polls in British have indicated that a sizable number of so-called 'moderate' Muslims are against British troops being in the Middle East for no other reason than that they are Unbelievers - Infidels.

Nothing to do with politics ~ but just for the reason that the soldiers are not Muslim ... and what this tells even the most casual observer is that the DEFAULT position of Britain's Muslim community is one of religious hostility, disapproval, and segregation from the British civilian mainstream.

They like the goodies that come with living in a Western First World country, so mostly they keep quiet in order to stay off the radar of the secret police who work to identify the anti-British moaners.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:


You've got that very badly wrong, and I suspect that even you know that. Islam is not like any other religion. It's more like a Medieval military discipline in which they triumphantly shout "Allahu Akbar!" instead of "BANZAI!"

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:


Oh, come on! Today's Muslims are basically contemporaneous (sorry) with the time when Christianity was having its Inquisitions and its burnings at the stake. They never had their renaissance. Islam is an antique strait-jacket.   

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:


Correct ~ and that's not really the main worry.

The bigger worry is that there's an ever-growing population of Muslims in Western countries whose religion compels them not to fully assimilate with the locals, and not to immerse themselves in the culture and ethos of the Non-Muslim mainstream ~ generation after generation ... with the result that they become competitors for dominance in each of these nominally secular societies.

That is a very dangerous and insecure position for Britain and Australia to have brought upon themselves. Some would call it 'negligence to the point of criminal insanity' ~ as I do.

I'm actually not joking when I say I would have a score of British politicians swinging from the gallows in London's Hyde Park. Damn near half a million Britishers gave their lives to PRESERVE the UK for their future generations against a Nazi dictatorship. And then these bastards opened the gates to Muslim immigration, with all that this will entail for the future.

Grey wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 10:22am:


That's a sticky and difficult debate. All I can say is that Israel and Western negotiators offered Yasser Arafat over 90% of his demands ~ and yet he refused this.

Today there are ... one million Arabs living in Israel ~ many of them Muslims. Thousands more pour across the borders each day to work in Israeli factories. Good wages. Good conditions.

These so-called 'Palestinians' are in fact Jordanians. I went to school with Prince Zaid, the king's nephew. Jordan eventually refused to take any more of these troublesome 'Palestinians' back into the country. They were pests and trouble-makers of the sort we saw in the IRA.

WIKILEAKS VIDEO: WAR On JOURNALISTS, WAR On CIVILIANS, " Graphic Footage "

Published on Nov 30, 2012
WIKILEAKS VIDEO:
WAR On JOURNALISTS, WAR On CIVILIANS, "Graphic Evidence"

Location: Various ( Baghdad, Iraq; Washington, U.S. )
VIDEO SOURCE: WIKILEAKS.ORG

It's both a front row seat and a bird's eye view to modern day warfare. What you're seeing here is what Apache pilots with the U.S. army saw, as they flew over a city in eastern Baghdad on July 12, 2007. A group of people walking. Included in that group - two employees for Reuters news service, 40 year old Saeed Chmagh and 22-year-old Namir Noor-Eldeen.

Namir was considered one of the best photojournalists in Iraq. Their names were added here by Wikileaks for clarity as they carry their cameras... not what the pilots think they see.

Moments later they're attacked.

According to news reports, like this one in the Washington post, the attack was launched because the people had - quote - been "directing machine gun fire and rocket propelled grenades at U.S. soldiers."

According to Wikileaks one of the most disturbing aspects of this is the behavior of the pilots.

Apache helicopter audio, speaking English:

"Oh yeah, look at those dead bastards. Nice."

When this man, clearly wounded, tries to crawl away, the pilots still seem to want to injure him more.

SB Julian Assange, editor and co-Founder, Wikileaks.org speaking English:

"Even someone who's crawling, prostrate on the ground, wounded, they are looking for an excuse to kill."

Juilan Assange, editor and co-founder of Wikileaks released the video at the national press club in Washington in hopes that the rules of engagement in war will be questioned and changed. He says this video shows how some military personnel treat war like a video game.


Apache helicopter audio, speaking English:

"Where's that van at. Right down there by the bodies."

SB Julian Assange, editor and co-Founder, Wikileaks.org speaking English:

"It seems to me that the attitude of the pilots is -- "this is another day at the office". This is what we have been doing for weeks and weeks and weeks."

As the attack continues you see this van pull up and a man get out to carry away the body. The pilots see this man too, as a threat:

Apache helicopter audio, speaking English:

"Crazy horse one, permission to engage...picking up the wounded...can I shoot?"

It's later discovered there are two children inside the van. You can see them being carried away by soldiers, who tried to get them medical attention.

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:


God is watching

(so is Beelzebub it seems)

kneel and pray before it is too late Batman

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:


Indeed! One wonders whether such imams will be so offended by such a suggestion, and still retain such faith, that they will exhort their faithful brethren, en masse, into seeking climes that are more suitable for their beliefs. Peacefully, of course. 

No doubt there a few, at this very moment, bewailing the fact that this message was left in the hands of such idiots as to risk a backlash of 'biblical' proportions before plans were realised. 

S'funny, you know. There's a call to establish Sharia in countries that don't have it, yet those that call for it seem in no hurry to go back to where it's practised. Most peculiar.