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Reply #285 - May 27th, 2013 at 6:54pm
 
Great Britain imported its own problems.

WEW are doing exactly the same thing. The Muslims will rise up against us here in the future. We have no one to blame but our own ignorance of the threat they represent.
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Reply #286 - May 27th, 2013 at 7:05pm
 
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Great Britain imported its own problems.

We are doing exactly the same thing.
The Muslims will rise up against us here in the future.
We have no one to blame but our own ignorance of the threat they represent.


Yes Baron,
There are too many of them here already.
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Reply #288 - May 27th, 2013 at 7:25pm
 
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/24/uk-inquests-civilian-deaths-iraq-war

UK ordered to hold inquests into civilian deaths during Iraq war
High court rules that up to 161 allegedly unlawful killings by British military should be subject of coroner-style hearings

Ian Cobain
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 25 May 2013 02.17 AEST

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Baha Mousa pictured with his wife and children. Several other Iraqis are thought to have been beaten to death in a manner similar to him. Photograph: Reuters

A series of public inquests should be held into the deaths of civilians who are alleged to have been killed unlawfully by the British military following the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the high court has ruled.

In a ground-breaking judgment that could have an impact on how the British military is able to conduct operations among civilians in the future, the court ruled on Friday that up to 161 deaths should be the subject of hearings modelled upon coroners' inquests.

In practice, a series of hearings – possibly amounting to more than 100 – are likely to be held as a result of the judgment, which follows a three-year legal battle on behalf of the Iraqis' families.

Each hearing must involve a "full, fair and fearless investigation accessible to the victim's families and to the public", the court ruled, and should examine not only the immediate circumstances but other issues surrounding each death.

As a first step, the court ordered Philip Hammond, the defence secretary, to announce within six weeks whether any of the deaths are to result in prosecutions, or to explain any further delays over prosecuting decisions.

After years of judicial review proceedings, and in the face of determined opposition from the Ministry of Defence, which appeared anxious to maintain control over any investigative process, the court concluded that hearings modelled upon coroners' inquests were the best way for the British authorities to meet their obligations under article 2 of the European convention on human rights (ECHR), which protects the right to life.

The court rejected calls for a single public inquiry to be held to examine British military detention and interrogation practices during the six-year occupation of the south-east of Iraq, on the grounds that such an inquiry would take too long and cost too much.

The first public hearings are expected to focus on 11 cases in which civilians died in British military custody. These will be followed by public examinations of other incidents in which civilians died – often in circumstances that were unclear or are disputed – but where it is alleged that British personnel used unlawful force.

The court also ruled that this should be just the start of the process by which public hearings will examine the alleged misconduct of some members of the British armed forces who served in Iraq.

Following the completion of the Article 2 hearings – into allegedly unlawful killings – further hearings should be established in order to meet the UK's obligations under Article 3 of the ECHR, the court said. These will inquire into allegations of torture and lesser mistreatment of individuals detained by British troops in Iraq, focusing on a sample of the most serious of the 700-plus cases in which such allegations have been made.

In December last year the MoD said it had paid out £14m in compensation and costs to 205 Iraqis who alleged unlawful imprisonment and mistreatment, and that it was negotiating a further 196 payments. Several hundred more claims were expected to be lodged.

Many of the hearings that examine allegations of torture and mistreatment are expected to shed light on the activities of a British interrogation unit known as the Joint Forward Interrogation Team, whose personnel, drawn from all three branches of the services, appear to have received training in the abuse of prisoners.

The deaths in custody include those of a number of teenagers who drowned after allegedly being pushed into canals.

In another case, an RAF police investigation into the death of a man who was allegedly kicked to death while on board an RAF helicopter failed to establish the cause of death, or even the dead man's name. A Guardian investigation established that there were concerns that MoD officials may have interfered with the initial investigation because they feared a prosecution could lead to the discovery that the dead man – and large numbers of other prisoners – were being ferried to a secret interrogation centre that had been concealed from both British army lawyers and the Red Cross.

A third case concerns a mother who was shot and wounded in November 2006 when troops raided her home. She was certified dead on arrival at a first aid post, and her body was later dumped at the side of a road in a British army body bag.

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Baha Mousa. Photograph: Liberty/PA

Several other victims died after being detained for interrogation, and are thought to have been beaten to death in a manner similar to that of Baha Mousa, the Basra hotel receptionist who was murdered by British soldiers in September 2003.

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Reply #289 - May 27th, 2013 at 7:27pm
 
The judgment from Sir John Thomas, president of the Queen's Bench Division, and Mr Justice Silber, added that there was evidence to support claims that some of the abuse had been systemic, and questioned whether responsibility for poor training and a failure to investigate promptly lay with senior officers and figures in government.

Many of the cases have been under investigation for a number of years by a body known as the Iraq Historic Allegations Team (Ihat), which is made up of retired civilian detectives and service police, answering to an MoD panel.

The court ruled that Ihat was an independent body, and rejected completely claims made by a former Ihat official-turned-whistleblower, who had dismissed it as a face-saving exercise. Nevertheless, the judgment concluded, Ihat was not capable of examining the instructions, training and supervision of troops, and the way in which this is alleged to have led to the abuse.

Phil Shiner, a lawyer for the Iraqis, said: "My clients welcome, at last, the opportunities for accountability flowing from the judgment.

"I trust that the various and troubling systemic issues emerging from these cases will lead to further reforms following the Baha Mousa inquiry report of September 2011. The secretary of state must ensure that UK forces abroad respect and apply the rule of law."

An MoD spokesperson said: "We welcome the court's finding that Ihat is independent and carries out its duties with competence and integrity. We are also pleased that the court has agreed that the secretary of state was justified in concluding that a single comprehensive public inquiry into allegations of abuse in Iraq should not be established. This would have led to unnecessary expense and unacceptable delay.

"Ihat continues to make progress in its task of investigating allegations which have been made against British troops serving in Iraq."
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Reply #290 - May 27th, 2013 at 7:37pm
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10081969/Woolwich-att...

Woolwich attack: David Cameron under fire as MI5 terrorism blunders emerge
David Cameron visited MI5 headquarters to thank spies for their work on the Woolwich terror case a day the after murder of Drummer Lee Rigby despite concerns about the failings of security services.

Monday 27 May 2013

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By Steven Swinford, and Christopher Hope10:00PM BST 26 May 2013

Both of the men accused of hacking the soldier to death had been monitored by the security services for years, and one of them was allegedly approached with a view to acting as an informant.
Details of Mr Cameron's visit to MI5's headquarters after Drummer Rigby's murder emerged as the Prime Minister flew to Ibiza in Spain over the weekend for a holiday with his family.
Downing Street said he "remains in charge" of Britain as he was pictured relaxing in a cafe by the sea with his wife, Samantha.
A spokesman said has taken a small team of key staff with him so he can be kept informed about the investigation into the murder of Drummer Rigby.
Mr Cameron's visit to MI5's headquarters and decision to go on holiday led to questions about his judgement in the aftermath of the worst terrorist atrocity on British soil since 7/7.
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Reply #291 - May 27th, 2013 at 8:50pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2013 at 6:29pm:
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Prime Minister David Cameron is now organising for the monitoring of all mosques throughout Britain in order to ensure that imams don't quote the parts of the Koran where it says that Muslims must maintain a war-footing against the Christian infidel.


Wow - is there a link for that?




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'Mosques to be held accountable for choice of imams'

David Cameron is launching a new terror task force to crack down on extremism in the wake of the horrific murder of Drummer Lee Rigby, Downing Street has confirmed.

The Cabinet level group, which will also bring in intelligence and police chiefs when needed, will focus on radical preachers who target potential recruits in jails, schools, colleges and mosques.

It will monitor trends in radicalisation and tackle "poisonous narratives", No 10 said.


source.

BtheB ~ I don't believe for even the briefest moment that Britain's prime minister and politicians have the balls to upset the Muslim community. This will all come to nothing.

No deportations, no jailing... just limp-wristed 'cautions' to those imams who are caught raging on against the infidel.
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Reply #292 - May 27th, 2013 at 9:00pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on May 27th, 2013 at 4:38pm:
1.42 million slaughtered Iraqi civilians


And this number is increasing daily.

I'm quite sure you've been keeping a careful tally of the civilians killed by Muslim sectarian mass-murder since the Coalition left ...  Cool

I feel quite certain you haven't only been keeping a tally of the civilians killed by Western forces.  Cool

Hmmm ?

Cool

Enjoy


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Reply #293 - May 27th, 2013 at 9:05pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on May 27th, 2013 at 6:26pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 27th, 2013 at 5:32pm:
Prime Minister David Cameron is now organising for the monitoring of all mosques throughout Britain in order to ensure that imams don't quote the parts of the Koran where it says that Muslims must maintain a war-footing against the Christian infidel.

And where it says that no infidel can be a friend of a good Muslim.

And lots more of an anti-Western nature.

Cameron wants imams to censor certain parts of their Holy Text.

Is there a message in this, I wonder? Has there been an inappropriate immigration stream, I ask? Is there the suggestion of cultural incompatibility here? ...


Indeed! One wonders whether such imams will be so offended by such a suggestion, and still retain such faith, that they will exhort their faithful brethren, en masse, into seeking climes that are more suitable for their beliefs. Peacefully, of course.  Cool

No doubt there a few, at this very moment, bewailing the fact that this message was left in the hands of such idiots as to risk a backlash of 'biblical' proportions before plans were realised.  Cheesy


S'funny, you know. There's a call to establish Sharia in countries that don't have it, yet those that call for it seem in no hurry to go back to where it's practised. Most peculiar.





An excellent/logical/reasoned observation, Lionel_Edriess!





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We [the West] should just face up to the undeniable truth about ISLAM;
ISLAM is a religion a vicious supremacist political philosophy, which promotes the use of deception, blatant lying, intimidation and extreme violence to further its aims.

Our governments should declare ISLAM a proscribed organisation, imo....
Close all mosques.
Deport/expel ALL imams.
And seriously consider the forced internment [or expulsion] of all persons self declaring as moslems - e.g. those who declare;

"I am a moslem! Allah is my god, and Mohammed is his prophet."







Would you change your views of
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1366970476/12#12
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.......Moslem 'asylum seekers', should be directed to seek sanctuary, in moslem/Sharia jurisdictions.
[....moslems insist that ISLAM is superior, so let moslems seek sanctuary, in a 'superior' moslem jurisdiction - where moslems will be sure to be happy and content.    Tongue     ]

And, because of the unremitting threat of acts of terror from those moslems living among us, the forced internment of all persons self declaring as moslems should be seriously considered by ALL Western nations, imo.

The values which Western societies cherish [truth, justice, freedom], are totally incompatible with moslems/ISLAMIC 'values'.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #294 - May 27th, 2013 at 9:50pm
 

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“We are forced by the Koran, in Sura al-Tawba, through many ayah in the Koran, we must fight them as they fight us.”




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“There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act."







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Reply #295 - May 27th, 2013 at 10:07pm
 
Jesus said Christians are to be kind to people who do evil, show compassion and mercy on them....forgive them....
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Reply #297 - May 27th, 2013 at 10:24pm
 
Soren wrote on May 27th, 2013 at 9:50pm:


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Politics/Pix/columnist%20thumbnails/2009/4/3...

“There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act."




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“There is nothing in Islam that justifies this truly dreadful act."



David Cameron should get a job as a spiv, for the UK moslem community!





from The muslim council of Britain - the umbrella organisation representing all British muslims

Quote:

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.




http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656






Dictionary;
spiv = = a man, typically a flashy dresser, who makes a living by disreputable dealings.


There is not much sunlight, can be seen between the average moslem, and the average Western pollie, honesty-wise, imo.

Both are deceitful, lying, bast ards, imo.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #298 - May 27th, 2013 at 10:27pm
 
corporate_whitey wrote on May 27th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

Jesus said Christians are to be kind to people who do evil, show compassion and mercy on them....forgive them....





Jesus taught that repentance on the part of the wrong-doing person, was a requirement of his/her forgiveness.

And Jesus was showing the type of [spiritual] contrition before God, that is required within us, if we wish to be forgiven by God.

Luke 17:3
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #299 - May 27th, 2013 at 10:57pm
 
red baron wrote on May 27th, 2013 at 6:54pm:
Great Britain imported its own problems.

WEW are doing exactly the same thing. The Muslims will rise up against us here in the future. We have no one to blame but our own ignorance of the threat they represent.


Have you ever spoken to anyone from the original OWNERS of this continent?

DId the Aboriginal people of Australia inherit their problems or where these problems slammed onto their heads by the invading pompous arrogant Brits?

You, yourself may well be British!

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