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Re: How can we determine who is a real moslem ?
Reply #30 - May 29^th, 2013 at 9:40pm

|dev|null wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 1:56pm:

Yadda wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Answer the question Soren:

why is this guy such a believable authority on islam, while all the mainstream muslim scholars and leaders (who dispute his claims about violence) can be dismissed?

gandalf,

And your argument is, that nobody should be allowed to express an opinion about ISLAM, unless he is a moslem ?
OR,
Your argument is, that nobody can have any legitimate opinion about ISLAM, unless that opinion comes from a moslem ?

Dunno about Gandalf but for me, you're entitled to an opinion.

Well thank you for that, at least.

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Problem is, you don't listen when it is or has been corrected mate. You refuse to accept anything from someone who disagrees with your viewpoint. That makes you a bigot. Grin

Hey Hot_Breath,

The last time i looked in a dictionary, a bigot was not defined as;
"Someone who refuses to embrace the views of someone, who has different views from themselves."

If that condition WAS the definition of a bigot, then someone who was NOT a bigot would be likely to be a sycophant.

Look it up.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: How can we determine who is a real moslem ?
Reply #31 - May 29^th, 2013 at 9:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

Yadda wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

FROM ISLAM'S PRIMARY THEOLOGICAL TEXT

There are different interpretations to this text.

e.g.
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Oh, really.

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Have you ever looked at arguments that say the text can be interpreted the opposite of what you claim?

gandalf,

Looking at this text......

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Well thank you gandalf, for your considered opinion on this matter, of the interpretation of Koranic verses.

But I DO NOT NEED an idiot moslem [i am not referring to yourself] to tell me that those words,
of Koran 9.29
.....DO NOT mean
.....what they clearly DO mean.

I don't need a moslem, to try to convince me that BLACK is WHITE.

And that WHITE is BLACK.iI've had quite enough, of moslems trying me confuse me, with their 'doublethink' attempts.....

IMAGE....

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: How can we determine who is a real moslem ?
Reply #33 - May 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 10:04pm:

I like how you subtly alter other people's words to turn it into something you can refute.

The charge was you refuse to "accept" the arguments put forward by anyone who disagrees - not "embrace" someone elses viewpoint. Big difference.

Google: "constructing a strawman"

OK, as from post # 30.....

The last time i looked in a dictionary, a bigot was not defined as;
"Someone who refuses to embrace accept the views of someone, who has different views from themselves."

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gandalf,

I do not object, AT ALL, to anyone expressing a differing p.o.v. to my own p.o.v.

I am open to hearing all p.o.v.

I do not want to gag moslems, so as to prevent them from expressing/explaining what they believe.

And i would never threaten to remove someones head, for expressing/explaining what they believe.
[whereas, many moslems do commonly murder ppl, who do not believe as they believe - FOR THE CRIME OF OPENLY EXPRESSING THAT DIFFERING BELIEF.]

But in [myself] welcoming that independent expression [in others], does not mean that i must accept the validity of their argument - unless they can show me that their case [their argument], indeed, has merit [truth].

e.g.
Your own protestations that Koran verses do not necessarily mean, what non-moslems take [those same] Koran verse words to mean, is unimpressive, imo.

e.g.
"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

e.g.
Your argument [post # 10 ] that the meaning of the word 'friends', is misrepresented in Koran 5.51

I do not agree.

The intent that is conveyed by ALL OF THE WORDS of Koran 5.51, is very clear, imo.

Indisputably clear.

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"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028

"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144

"O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse....."
Koran 3.118

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends.....offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: How can we determine who is a real moslem ?
Reply #34 - May 30^th, 2013 at 8:15am

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am:

The last time i looked in a dictionary, a bigot was not defined as;
"Someone who refuses to embrace accept the views of someone, who has different views from themselves."

It kind of is. By "accept" I mean tolerate and "listen to" in good faith. Your default position is that muslims simply lie.

big·ot
[big-uht]
noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot

Do you have any tolerance for any belief about islam that differs from your view? I only see you mock them and call those who espouse them liars. And tolerance doesn't mean you have to embrace them - merely accept that some people genuinely believe it.

Is it fair to call you a bigot Yadda?

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Re: How can we determine who is a real moslem ?
Reply #35 - May 30^th, 2013 at 10:04am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am:

The last time i looked in a dictionary, a bigot was not defined as;
"Someone who refuses to embrace accept the views of someone, who has different views from themselves."

It kind of is. By "accept" I mean tolerate and "listen to" in good faith. Your default position is that muslims simply lie.

big·ot
[big-uht]
noun

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot

Then that would be a moslem.

Who is a moslem ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

And what does ISLAM have to say, about 'any differing creed, belief, or opinion' ?

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11i

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Do you have any tolerance for any belief about islam that differs from your view?

Of course.

If it is an opinion about ISLAM that is based in truth, and not moslem lies and falsehoods.

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I only see you mock them and call those who espouse them liars.

Now what possible reason, would i have to do that, gandalf ?

Just answer me that.

Yadda, the unreasonable [NOT!].

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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December 31, 2007
Pakistan Cleric: "We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019399.phpi

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And tolerance doesn't mean you have to embrace them - merely accept that some people genuinely believe it.

Oh but gandalf, i do accept that a moslem genuinely 'believes', that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

And i know that many moslems do commonly murder ppl, who do not believe as they believe - FOR THE CRIME OF OPENLY EXPRESSING THAT DIFFERING BELIEF.

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/i

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Is it fair to call you a bigot Yadda?

Only if bigotry, is a love of truth.

Only if bigotry, is abhorring the wickedness of people such as yourself, gandalf [for trying to deceive non-moslems about what ISLAM endorses. And for your unerring refusal to acknowledge, the truth about how ISLAM describes its own character, within its own foundation texts].

Mohammed - was a murderer, a criminal, a rapist, a thief, a pirate, a brigand - ISLAMIC texts attest to that character - and you gandalf deny that truth.

ISLAM - is a religion a vicious supremacist political philosophy, which promotes the use of deception, blatant lying, intimidation and extreme violence to further its aims. - ISLAMIC texts attest to that character, of ISLAM - and you gandalf deny that truth.

You are just a vile deceiver, gandalf.

And you will not escape the hot place, imo.

Proverbs 19:5
A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape.

Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.

Psalms 9:16
The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: How can we determine who is a real moslem ?
Reply #36 - May 30^th, 2013 at 3:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 10:04pm:

I like how you subtly alter other people's words to turn it into something you can refute.

The charge was you refuse to "accept" the arguments put forward by anyone who disagrees - not "embrace" someone elses viewpoint. Big difference.

Google: "constructing a strawman"

But, but, strawmen are so easy to knock down! Yadda can't formulate a response to a real argument above that of a playschool disagreement. Grin

"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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Re: How can we determine who is a real moslem ?
Reply #37 - May 30^th, 2013 at 3:02pm

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:04am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am:

The last time i looked in a dictionary, a bigot was not defined as;
"Someone who refuses to embrace accept the views of someone, who has different views from themselves."

Then that would be a moslem.

And you.

"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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Re: How can we determine who is a real moslem ?
Reply #38 - May 30^th, 2013 at 6:48pm

|dev|null wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:04am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 12:12am:

The last time i looked in a dictionary, a bigot was not defined as;
"Someone who refuses to embrace accept the views of someone, who has different views from themselves."

It kind of is. By "accept" I mean tolerate and "listen to" in good faith. Your default position is that muslims simply lie.

big·ot
[big-uht]
noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

Then that would be a moslem.

And you.

I am not a moslem, SO I AM VICTIM OF MOSLEM/ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY.

e.g.

NON-MOSLEMS ARE VICTIMS OF MOSLEM/ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY...

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

NON-MOSLEMS ARE VICTIMS OF MOSLEM/ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY...

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

NON-MOSLEMS ARE VICTIMS OF MOSLEM/ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY...

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

NON-MOSLEMS ARE VICTIMS OF MOSLEM/ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY...

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #40 - May 30^th, 2013 at 10:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 8:43pm:

tell me Yadda, have you interacted much with muslims?

Do you feel threatened whenever you talk to a muslim?

I feel deeply concerned

that people who i pass by on the street, could be moslems.

Why so ?

Because i know, i understand, something of what moslems believe.

And i know [as a human being], that what we believe, determines how we [will] act.

And, i understand that;

A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

I feel concerned that moslems, freely choose to directly associate themselves with the 'religious' violence which ISLAM justifies, legitimises, promotes and encourages [as a philosophy].

And i why should i NOT be concerned, gandalf ?

Is my concern 'ISLAM-O-PHOBIA' ?

No.

The term 'ISLAM-O-PHOBIA', is just another false 'projection' [invented by moslem propagandists], which is being used by moslems, to denigrate the credible and lucid critics of moslems/ISLAM.

A phobia, is an irrational fear of something.

I have a just cause in my fear of what moslems, living in my community, represent.

Moslems represent the face of ISLAM - a murderous death cult.

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Koran 2.98
Koran 47:8-11
Koran 4.74-76

The content of those three Koran verse groups, together, form a 'virtuous circle'.

Each verse group firstly confirms and then reinforces the ISLAMIC 'religious' paradigm, that;
1/ unbelief [in man] is a serious 'religious' crime, and that,
2/ the 'criminals' [i.e. the 'unbelievers'] deserve every punishment they get, and the 'criminals' are outside of the protection of law, and that,
3/ good moslems have an obligation to, ....'fight in the cause of Allah' , and all good moslems are 'rightly guided' and are justified in their 'crime fighting'.

Those arguments [above] are 'logically' demonstrated...

1/ "...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." [i.e. 'Unbelief' [in man] is a crime.].
Koran 2.98
[ - - The enemy of moslems is identified. All of 'unbelieving' mankind, are the declared enemy of moslems.]

2/ "...those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47:8-11
[ - - Here, it is clearly stated to every good moslem, that moslem enmity, violence, and warfare, against 'those who reject Faith', is morally justified, and 'lawful'. /sarc off]

3/ "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah[/u] and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76
[ - - Those who reject 'Faith' are ipso facto, 'rightly' deemed, by ISLAM and by Allah, as being innately evil. Therefore those who reject 'Faith', are described as 'oppressors', and are the rightful targets of moslem enmity, violence, and warfare.
...'those who reject Faith' are described [Koran 4.74-76], as 'oppressors' and as, 'the friends of Satan'.]

Once again, the 'theology' which ISLAM inculcates into the psyche of all moslems, is this;...

1/ 'Unbelief' [in man] is a crime.
2/ The 'criminals' have no 'lawful' protection whatsoever.
3/ The crime of 'unbelief' >> must << be punished, and punishment of 'unbelief' is morally justified, because, the 'unbelievers' are in league with evil forces, and are the oppressors of the people [stated in Koran 4.74-76].

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ONCE AGAIN!....

To a moslem, all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia law.

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I'm just interested how you react in real life - for example if you see one in the street, does the thought "they are out to get me!" always come to mind?

LOL

No, i do not 'personalise' my awareness [of moslem intent, towards the Kuffar like myself] in that way.

I am just waiting, gandalf.

I know what is coming.

I am an observer, and a witness.

Human fear often comes from confusion and uncertainty.

Do you believe that i am a confused and uncertain peson, gandalf ?

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ISLAM is pure evil.

Are we going to choose to appease such an evil ?

OK.

Your choice.

God is clever.

Men are dumb.

And nothing that mankind can do, will stop God's purpose, towards mankind.

And it is man's own nature which is driving God's plan forward.

Matthew 13:47
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: How can we determine who is a real moslem ?
Reply #41 - May 30^th, 2013 at 10:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Answer the question Soren:

why is this guy such a believable authority on islam, while all the mainstream muslim scholars and leaders (who dispute his claims about violence) can be dismissed?

Have you ever actually stopped and listened to the arguments about why the quran doesn't encourage the things your authority claims it does?

well when one has racist motives, any claim can be made over and over again

there is a word for this

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Reply #42 - May 30^th, 2013 at 11:11pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

well when one has racist motives, any claim can be made over and over again

What are you trying to express chimp ?

I don't get it.

Is a 'racist', anyone who criticises ISLAM ?

When ISLAM promotes, encourages, and endorses violence towards those who do not believe as moslems believe, it is wrong to criticise ISLAM ?

Is that what you are implying chimp ?

That to criticise ISLAM, for any reason, is wrong ?

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #44 - May 31^st, 2013 at 12:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:10am:

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:11pm:

When ISLAM promotes, encourages, and endorses violence towards those who do not believe as moslems believe, it is wrong to criticise ISLAM ?

It would not be wrong Yadda - if that were true.

*IF*.

ISLAM is a murderous death cult

- and there is undeniable and voluminous evidence [from ISLAMIC sources] to support that proposition.

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

ISLAM does encourage, and endorses, requires, moslem acts of violence, towards those who do not believe as moslems believe.

e.g.
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

gandalf, imagines that when he makes blatant denials [even in the face of evidence, which contradict his denials], that people are always going to believe his barefaced denials.

gandalf,

In what sense, isn't what i have said about ISLAM, true ?

EVIDENCE - from ISLAM's foundation text, the Koran, that what i have said, is true....

Koran 2.98
Koran 47:8-11
Koran 4.74-76

The content of those three Koran verse groups, together, form a 'virtuous circle'.

Each verse group firstly confirms and then reinforces the ISLAMIC 'religious' paradigm, that;
1/ unbelief [in man] is a serious 'religious' crime, and that,
2/ the 'criminals' [i.e. the 'unbelievers'] deserve every punishment they get, and the 'criminals' are outside of the protection of law, and that,
3/ good moslems have an obligation to, ....'fight in the cause of Allah' , and all good moslems are 'rightly guided' and are justified in their 'crime fighting'.

Those arguments [above] are 'logically' demonstrated...

1/ "...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." [i.e. 'Unbelief' [in man] is a crime.].
Koran 2.98
[ - - The enemy of moslems is identified. All of 'unbelieving' mankind, are the declared enemy of moslems.]

2/ "...those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47:8-11
[ - - Here, it is clearly stated to every good moslem, that moslem enmity, violence, and warfare, against 'those who reject Faith', is morally justified, and 'lawful'. /sarc off]

3/ "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76
[ - - Those who reject 'Faith' are ipso facto, 'rightly' deemed, by ISLAM and by Allah, as being innately evil. Therefore those who reject 'Faith', are described as 'oppressors', and are the rightful targets of moslem enmity, violence, and warfare.
...'those who reject Faith' are described [Koran 4.74-76], as 'oppressors' and as, 'the friends of Satan'.]

Once again, the 'theology' which ISLAM inculcates into the psyche of all moslems, is this;...

1/ 'Unbelief' [in man] is a crime.
2/ The 'criminals' have no 'lawful' protection whatsoever.
3/ The crime of 'unbelief' >> must << be punished by good moslems, and the punishment of 'unbelief' is morally justified, because, the 'unbelievers' are in league with evil forces, and they are the oppressors of the people [stated in Koran 4.74-76].

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A moslem, is a person who chooses to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches moslems that it is 'lawful' for moslems, to kill those, who do not believe, as they believe.

I am concerned that moslems [who are free to live among us], freely choose to directly associate themselves with the 'religious' violence which ISLAM justifies, legitimises, promotes and encourages [as a philosophy].

ISLAM - is a murderous death cult.

And moslems, who are free to live along side us, in our community, are the persons who represent the face of ISLAM, in our midst.

as per.....

IMAGE...

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Why are our politicians allowing this circumstance to continue ?

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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