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Do you understand that there are different categories of hadith according to how authentic they are considered? Have you head that this particular one is considered a weak one?

I have responded to you previously when you quoted this hadith by citing about 2 or 3 other hadith that specifically describe the prophet forbidding death for apostates.

Apostasy is mentioned in the quran about 20 times, and not once are muslims commanded to kill over it.

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Do you understand that there are different categories of hadith according to how authentic they are considered? Have you head that this particular one is considered a weak one?

I have responded to you previously when you quoted this hadith by citing about 2 or 3 other hadith that specifically describe the prophet forbidding death for apostates.

Apostasy is mentioned in the quran about 20 times, and not once are muslims commanded to kill over it.

There is a famous Koran verse, often offered to naive non-moslems,
....'proving' ISLAM's tolerance of other religions,
....and REALLY proving that, ALL GOOD MOSLEMS ARE BARE FACED LIARS....

"Let there be no compulsion in religion......."

Koran 2:256


The darker interpretation on this 'soft' verse, AND AN 'INTERPRETATION' WHICH MILITANT MOSLEMS ACCEPT, IS,

"You can choose conversion, submission, or death.
.....**NO COMPULSION**! YOU CHOOSE."

ONE, example of how this peaceful verse is applied, by 'unrestrained' moslems,

Iraq -
4 March 2007
Iraq's Mandaeans 'face extinction'
By Angus Crawford
The Sabian Mandaeans - one of the oldest religious groups in the world - are facing extinction, according to its leaders.
They claim that Islamic extremists in Iraq are trying to wipe them out through forced conversions, rape and murder.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6412453.stm

Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali, the outspoken Anglican prelate of Rochester, attended the meeting but rejected their advice. While continuing to highlight the perils faced by those who leave Islam in countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran, he now has turned his focus to the harassment of apostates in the West.

Last year the bishop warned that a convert could die in Britain unless prominent Muslims affirm the right of all people to change their faith. There have been few takers, despite the dire need for this message: a poll indicates that 36% of younger British Muslims believe death to be an appropriate punishment for renouncing Islam.

Their views are grounded in Shari'a law. All major schools of Islamic jurisprudence stipulate that a sane adult male must be put to death for abandoning Islam, though varying interpretations persist on whether females should be killed or merely imprisoned.

Many Islamic states outlaw apostasy and seven list it as a capital offense. However, freelancers such as angry relatives present the greatest danger to ex-Muslims, as Sunni and Shiite scholars largely agree that [b]Shari'a empowers individuals to punish converts. This tradition has followed Muslims to the Western world.[/b]

 
It's no use you quoting the peaceful parts of the Koran while it's just as authentic for other Muslims to quote the belligerent parts as their justifications for bombings.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali From:  The Wall Street Journal 


I'VE seen this before. A Muslim terrorist slays a non-Muslim citizen in the West, and representatives of the Muslim community rush to dissociate themselves and their faith from the horror. 
 
After British soldier Lee Rigby was hacked to death last week in south London, Julie Siddiqi, for the Islamic Society of Britain, stepped before the microphones to attest that all good Muslims were "sickened" by the attack, "just like everyone else".

This happens every time. Muslim men wearing suits and ties or women wearing stylish headscarves are sent out to reassure the world that these attacks have no place in real Islam, that they are aberrations and corruptions of the true faith.

But then what to make of Omar Bakri? He, too, claims to speak for the true faith, though he was unavailable for cameras in England last week because the Islamist group he founded, Al Muhajiroun, was banned in Britain in 2010. Instead, he talked to the media from Tripoli in Lebanon, where he now lives.

Michael Adebolajo - who was seen on a video at the scene of the Woolwich murder, talking to the camera while displaying his bloody hands and a meat cleaver - was Bakri's student a decade ago. "A quiet man, very shy, asking lots of questions about Islam," Bakri recalled last week. The teacher was impressed to see in the grisly video how far his shy disciple had come, "standing firm, courageous, brave. Not running away".

Bakri also told the press: "The Prophet said an infidel and his killer will not meet in Hell. That's a beautiful saying. May God reward (Adebolajo) for his actions . . . I don't see it as a crime as far as Islam is concerned."

The question requiring an answer at this moment in history is clear: which group of leaders really speaks for Islam. The officially approved spokesmen for the "Muslim community"? Or the manic street preachers of political Islam who indoctrinate, encourage and train the killers - then bless their bloodshed?
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And yet, after nearly a decade of similar rhetoric from Islamists around the world, last week the Guardian could still run a headline quoting a Muslim Londoner: "These poor idiots have nothing to do with Islam."

Really? Nothing? Of course, the overwhelming majority of Muslims are not terrorists or sympathetic to terrorists. Equating all Muslims with terrorism is stupid and wrong. But acknowledging there is a link between Islam and terror is appropriate and necessary.



From an article titled Who really speaks for Islam? 
by: Ayaan Hirsi Ali From The Wall Street Journal May 29 2013.

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Don't believe it for a moment.

While the West is ruled by Leftwing surrender-monkeys and appeasement-jockeys in all the major political parties, and in academia, and in the media, and in the judiciary, and amongst the Christian clergy, and amongst the literati ~ the hard-line Muslim fraternity isn't going anywhere. They are being protected and cossetted as never before.

Official policies of appeasement and capitulation will see the aggressive Muslim movements continue to make inroads and advances upon Britain's traditional heritage and national institutions.

I personally believe Islam will win out in the end, for the simple reason that no political party with the balls to confront the Islamic community threat will ever get elected.

Through democracy's own processes the Muslims will gradually vote themselves in.

Already we have this pathetic British prime minister David Cameron planning to install Muslims into the House of Lords for no other reason than that they are Muslims.

They used to execute people for acts of treason far milder than this.

Aereon - The Chronicles of Riddick



.....Evil will consume evil.

And when the fire starts, who can, who will be able to, stop it ??? !

This 'revelation', or understanding of what God is, which comes to men, is spoken of in a number of places in OT scripture.
.....[it is also alluded to as a 'fire' which will somehow 'burn', or consume, evil.]

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 8:02pm:



I am not aware of Christians blowing up each other in market places, at schools, universities and buses. SO what the 'same conditions' are, only you would know.

I would like to point out to you that your being a pig-ignorant, tendentious, lopsided propagandist is not quite an argument. You think it is (we get that) but unfortunately it is not sufficient.