polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:56pm:



How did Muslims get to Bosnia and Burma? On tourist visas? Refugee boat? How?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 12:15am:



Everywhere outside SE Asia and a small part of Araby, Islam exists by bloody conquest.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:56pm:


Have you stopped to ask yourself why that would be?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 11:56pm:



Again, a moslem is totally misrepresenting a circumstance.



What has happened in Burma - from a non-moslem perspective;

Over many years moslem 'immigrants' have illegally entered Burma.
Once their moslem communities have become established, the moslem 'immigrant' community [moslem gangs] begin preying upon the local Burmese Buddhists.
Moslem rape, moslem intimidation, moslem violence, moslem murder of the local Burmese Buddhists - which is a process of ISLAMISATION [this is the quintessential JIHAD against local peoples - a process of actions by moslems, to create fear and 'respect' for moslems] through the use of moslem intimidation and violence.
The local Burmese Buddhists, retaliate against moslem communities [when the local Burmese Buddhists finally recognise the moslems as a predatory culture].
In this inter-communal violence, the local Burmese Buddhists are merely defending their communities from ISLAMISATION of their host community, through the use of moslem intimidation and violence against Burmese Buddhists.
The moslem communities [who illegally entered Burma, i.e. invaded Burma] portray themselves as the victims of anti-moslem hatred - while at the same time, totally denying their own violent provocations.





All non-moslem communities need to keep themselves separate from all moslems - because ISLAM is a violent and predatory culture/philosophy.

Wherever moslems go in the world [to live] [and where their 'moslem community' become established], their presence creates 'a border of conflict' and/or discord, with all other non-moslem peoples which they 'interface' with.

Always.

Why is that ?

Duh !








"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29








is that wherever moslems are fighting [or in conflict] with other human beings;
#1 - moslems are always fighting against 'disbelievers' [even when those that they are fighting are nominally, other moslems!]
#2 - moslems are always justified by ISLAM




Q.
Are moslems [in some sense] the real victims of ISLAM ?

A.
Is a criminal, the victim of his criminal motives ???

If Islam is the religion of the future, then God help us ~ especially the women.

Ganddafi knows as well as I do that because there is no pyramidal  hierarchy as with the Christian churches in Islam, this means that each imam cleric has a free hand to preach just what the hell ever he likes ~ so long as he can source his sermons to the Koran or other sacred text.

Those who chose to preach the aggressive sections of the Holy Text are just as within their right as those imams who preach moderation.

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 1:22pm:


Excellent riposte, Soren! That should see Ganddafi on the run from this thread. He can run but he can't hide. I've locked the gate so he can't escape from here.

I've also released the dogs. We only need to follow the baying of the hounds to find him...

Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 1:22pm:


And how did the Romans come to control The Levant, North Africa etc? Tourist visas?

But lets take a look at the "barbaric" conquest of these lands:

Jerusalem - conquered by muslims in 637:

Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)

Then in 1099, the christian forces of light, liberated the city and returned it to civilization - summarily slaughtering around 60 thousand civilians - muslims, jews and eastern christians - as well as the execution of the entire muslim garrison.

But alas, the forces of darkness returned in 1187, when the barbarian Saladin conquered the city - forbidding any massacre of civilians, and allowing the vast majority of them to leave the city for a ransom. Even those who could not pay, most of them were eventually allowed to go free. Saladin then allowed christian pilgrimages to the city, and jewish and christian holy places remained in those group's control.

Conquest of Spain - 711-713

Spain at the time was ruled by those banner bearers of civilization - the Visigoths - best known for sacking Rome and ravaging the Italian peninsula during the 5th century. By the 8th century, the Visigothic conquerors of the Iberian peninsula represented some 1-2% of the population. The muslims from North Africa (mainly Berbers, who had been raiding the peninsula for centuries - mainly pre-islamic), invaded Spain, and the Visigoths fled. Finding themselves in control of almost the entire Iberian peninsula, the muslim rulers set about spreading their barbarity - building the largest and most culturally prosperous city in the entire world (Cordoba), giving Europe a taste of propserity the likes they had never seen. Native christians were largely left alone, and were allowed to live by their former Visigothic legal codes.

Damn those mindless, barbaric civilization-destroying muslims 

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 12:15pm:


Bloody Muslim immigrants again.

Always causing trouble.