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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #330 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:04pm

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 6:31pm:

The reality is that Australians, and westerners in general, have killed millions of people in defense of our freedom, and we will do it again if necessary.

Of course - because we are the shining beacon of civilization - surrounded by savages constantly trying to destroy our freedoms. I've read the meme too FD.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #331 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:06pm

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 6:31pm:

Yes I am aware of your refusal to interpret anything I say in a realistic manner. You did it again earlier on this page:

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You then clarified and said actually, the 'people dying' part is not set in stone - and what you really meant was that the non-censorship option could come with pro-active measures to prevent any possible violence.

Why are you trying so hard to keep this discussion as far from reality as possible? In what way is confining your opinions to outside the realm of reality 'clarifying' anything?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #332 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:26pm Sorry FD - I do tend to get a little distracted when debating with someone who parrots cynical WWII era propaganda and considers it a serious point.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #333 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:50pm I knew that would trick you.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95135 Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #334 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 9:15pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 7:26pm: Sorry FD - I do tend to get a little distracted when debating with someone who parrots cynical WWII era propaganda and considers it a serious point. Loose lips sink ships, you know. And the old boy has the cutest lips you’ll ever see. Miam miam.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #335 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:19pm freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:50pm: I knew that would trick you. Sorry FD - can't talk now I'm fighting them on the beaches as we speak. Fighting for our FREEEEEEEDUM
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #336 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:38pm Is it possible you could clarify your 'position' and acknowledge reality at the same time?
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Reply #337 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 9:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 8:50pm:

I knew that would trick you.

Sorry FD - can't talk now I'm fighting them on the beaches as we speak. Fighting for our FREEEEEEEDUM

Gandy, you are an opportunist as far as Lefties AND Musulmans are concerned. This makes you typical of the English speaking Mohammedans: a Muslim who will exploit all the lefty underdog/victim tropes and the Musulman 'submit or there'll be trouble' tropes. You are dishonest at every turn is what I am saying.

Muslims are not progressives and progressives are not Muslims. Yet you are trying to ride both these horses with one arse. You are like the Greens.
Come to think of it, you are a Green. You are both for submission and insubordination.

F**cking pathetic.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #338 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:24pm I see Soren's jumping on the FD and Yadda "gandalf's personal beliefs are what I damn well say they are!" bandwagon. Enjoy the ride
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Reply #339 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:29pm

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Gandy, you are an opportunist as far as Lefties AND Musulmans are concerned. This makes you typical of the English speaking Mohammedans: a Muslim who will exploit all the lefty underdog/victim tropes and the Musulman 'submit or there'll be trouble' tropes. You are dishonest at every turn is what I am saying.

gandalf is slowly morphing into another abu_rashid.

In all of his stances and responses on this forum, gandalf is slowly revealing that he is in fact, a very good moslem.

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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #340 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 9:37am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

I see Soren's jumping on the FD and Yadda "gandalf's personal beliefs are what I damn well say they are!" bandwagon.

Enjoy the ride

Why are you so reluctant to say what they are? So far your 'clarification' has consisted of:

1) If the Islamic extremists will definitely kill people, pull out the white flag and appease them by discarding our freedom.

2) If we can definitely prevent the Islamic extremists from hurting anyone, you offer your limp wristed support for freedom.

3) All the wars we have fought, and the people who have died to protect our freedom, are a figment of my imagination, a caricature of our past. Australian values are to run and hide just like Gandalf.

Is that it? No indication of what your position might be if faced with reality?

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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #341 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 11:38am

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

All the wars we have fought, and the people who have died to protect our freedom, are a figment of my imagination, a caricature of our past.

Correct.

Or I should clarify - many people may have died thinking they were protecting our freedom, but they were as deluded as you are. The reality is, every man and woman who has died fighting in Australia's wars died in the name of protecting either British or American economic hegemony.

The sad truth is - engaging ourselves in unnecessary wars of aggression threatens our freedoms, not protects them.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #342 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 11:45am

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Or I should clarify - many people may have died thinking they were protecting our freedom, but they were as deluded as you are. The reality is, every man and woman who has died fighting in Australia's wars died in the name of protecting either British or American economic hegemony.

Were the Nazis are figment of our imagination?

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The sad truth is - engaging ourselves in unnecessary wars of aggression threatens our freedoms, not protects them.

Did winning WWII threaten our freedom?

Why are you so reluctant to say what your views are, despite your complaints about others trying to fill in the blanks? Can you offer any more 'clarification' than this?

1) If the Islamic extremists will definitely kill people, pull out the white flag and appease them by discarding our freedom.

2) If we can definitely prevent the Islamic extremists from hurting anyone, you offer your limp wristed support for freedom.

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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #343 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 12:01pm

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Were the Nazis are figment of our imagination?

Australia fought for its freedom by sending troops to fight in Europe did we?

Give me a break.

I won't even bother trying to explain the nuances of the imperial aspects of the war, and the role British aggression played in starting the war. Suggest you read AJP Taylor.

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Did winning WWII threaten our freedom?

Fighting the war certainly threatens our freedom - censorship, internment of foreigners, idle talk and all that. Not saying its not necessary, but its still an attack on our freedom.

But since you mention it - yes, actually, the victory and subsequent aftermath of WWII did threaten our freedom. A little thing called the cold war, reds under the beds and all the curtailing of our freedom in the name of national security.

The introduction of conscription in Vietnam seems an obvious example.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #344 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 12:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

All the wars we have fought, and the people who have died to protect our freedom, are a figment of my imagination, a caricature of our past.

Correct.

Or I should clarify - many people may have died thinking they were protecting our freedom, but they were as deluded as you are. The reality is, every man and woman who has died fighting in Australia's wars died in the name of protecting either British or American economic hegemony.

The sad truth is - engaging ourselves in unnecessary wars of aggression threatens our freedoms, not protects them.

With Anglo-American economic dominance comes freedom. All the rivals of Anglo-American hegemony have been forces of unfreedom: Germany, Russia, China, Japan, Islam.

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