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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #60 - May 30^th, 2013 at 3:23pm freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 10:06pm: Good point. It was foolish of me to attempt to ask your opinion on what the law should be on this issue. Is that an admission you have nothing sensible to say?
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Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you
Reply #61 - May 30^th, 2013 at 3:24pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 7:15pm:

|dev|null wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 1:52pm:

Soren wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:34pm:

I feel threatened and vilified by these Koranic words and it's really piercing me to the core. Does that make me an Islamophobe?

Please explain.

Do you feel threatened by the very similar language in the Bible?

If not, then yes, that does make you an Islamophobe. Grin

Set yourself to work, genius and show us the comparisons, the 'very similar language' dot-point by dot-point as listed by Soren.

Put up or shut up, troll. Grin

When you contribute something useful yourself, I may listen to your request, if politely put. Cheesy

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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #62 - May 30^th, 2013 at 6:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 11:33pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

You also came close with the cartoon example. You ended up giving a specific example of who should be allowed to publish it, but not of who should be banned from publishing it. Some more hints:

Wrong again. The scenario was a racist hate group publishing the cartoon in their newspaper in an article about how all muslims are terrorists and should be deported/interned etc.

So if it is not from a racist hate group it should be legal?

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freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

* who would have to say it?

anyone can be guilty of vilifying

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

* what would they actually have to say?

something vilifying

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

* in what context would they have to say it?

in the context of vilification

Gandalf are you having trouble with the concept of an example?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #63 - May 30^th, 2013 at 7:53pm Gandalf do you still think everyone who held up a beheading placard in Sydney should be charged?
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Reply #64 - May 30^th, 2013 at 8:23pm

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

Gandalf are you having trouble with the concept of an example?

No, but you certainly are.

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Gandalf do you still think everyone who held up a beheading placard in Sydney should be charged?

Absolutely.

Now I'm guessing this is where you'll point out my comments about the naive mother somehow contradict this.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #65 - May 30^th, 2013 at 10:07pm No I am happy to take it at face value. So how far should this go? Where would you draw the line?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40175 Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #66 - May 30^th, 2013 at 10:26pm freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 7:53pm: Gandalf do you still think everyone who held up a beheading placard in Sydney should be charged? charged ? deported is more apt
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Reply #67 - May 30^th, 2013 at 11:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 8:23pm:

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Gandalf do you still think everyone who held up a beheading placard in Sydney should be charged?

Absolutely.

Now I'm guessing this is where you'll point out my comments about the naive mother somehow contradict this.

She should have been publicly flogged.

100 lashes! [10 lashes per month]

Why so ?

Others will take note, and learn that such foolishness [the foolishness of publicly displaying such a placard!, of incitement to murder.] is not to be tolerated.

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Reply #68 - May 30^th, 2013 at 11:35pm

Yadda wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 11:20pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 8:23pm:

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Gandalf do you still think everyone who held up a beheading placard in Sydney should be charged?

Absolutely.

Now I'm guessing this is where you'll point out my comments about the naive mother somehow contradict this.

She should have been publicly flogged.

100 lashes! [10 lashes per month]

Why so ?

Others will take note, and learn that such foolishness [the foolishness of publicly displaying such a placard!, of incitement to murder.] is not to be tolerated.

OK, 40 lashes.

See, .....its not just moslems who can be moderate.

I'm a 'moderate' too. Tongue

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #69 - May 31^st, 2013 at 10:07am Don't be surprised if you see a protestor marching down the main street of Sydney holding a placard that says "Freediver should be beheaded for being a troll".
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Reply #70 - May 31^st, 2013 at 10:44am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:07am:

Don't be surprised if you see a protestor marching down the main street of Sydney holding a placard that says "Freediver should be beheaded for being a troll".

gandalf,

The problem is, that if we do witness such a circumstance, how could we be certain that protestors marching down the main street of Sydney holding a placard that says; "Freediver should be beheaded for being a troll", were not serious ?

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Personally, i have no doubt whatsoever, that those guys with the;

"BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET"

placards, were serious.

IMAGE...

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

And surely, it is the seriousness of the actual intent, which was being publicly displayed on those placards, that does warrant their censure by all law-abiding people ?

Those placards were inciting moslems to murder people [who choose not to respect moslem sensibilities].

e.g.
If it is OK for moslems to display inciting placards, would it be OK for me to march down the main street of Sydney holding a placard that says;

"Moslems should be beheaded for blasphemy, for denying Jesus divinity"

???

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #71 - May 31^st, 2013 at 10:55am

Yadda wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:44am:

Those placards were inciting moslems to murder people [who choose not to respect moslem sensibilities].

I am not a moslem.

And i, nor anyone else, can or should be, lawfully required to believe [or required to respect] what moslems believe and respect.

In fact, i regard the views and 'values' which moslems respect, with utter contempt and loathing.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #72 - May 31^st, 2013 at 11:38am Yadda, what is your opinion on the placards in relation to Australian law? Do you agree with me that they are clear messages of incitement to violence - as per the CRIMES ACT AMENDMENT (INCITEMENT TO VIOLENCE) BILL 2005 - and should be prosecuted with the full force of the law?
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Reply #73 - May 31^st, 2013 at 12:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 11:38am:

Yadda, what is your opinion on the placards in relation to Australian law?

Do you agree with me that they are clear messages of incitement to violence - as per the CRIMES ACT AMENDMENT (INCITEMENT TO VIOLENCE) BILL 2005 - and should be prosecuted with the full force of the law?

I'm not a lawyer, but imo, the placards;

"BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET",

were designed to incite moslems to murder persons who held differing views about Mohammed/ISLAM.

At the very least, imo, those placards were seeking to 'normalise' [within the broader community] views and attitudes which moslems themselves hold [....towards their own religion].

i.e.
Respect for moslem cultural icons [...or, idols].

i.e.
"We [members of the non-moslem community] must be careful how we express ourselves, publicly, coz we don't want to upset those moslems!"

I am not a moslem.

I choose, not to be, a moslem.

This, Australia, is still, a non-moslem country.

Why shouldn't i, or anyone else [as a non-moslem] in Australia, be allowed to criticise the life and values of a person like Mohammed ?

Why shouldn't i [OR ANYONE] in Australia, be allowed to express an opinion about the character of Mohammed, based upon information which is sourced from ISLAMIC texts ?

Living in a country like Australia, i/we should have those rights, imo.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Muslims want to silence and intimidate you Reply #74 - May 31^st, 2013 at 1:08pm polite_gandalf wrote on May 31^st, 2013 at 10:07am: Don't be surprised if you see a protestor marching down the main street of Sydney holding a placard that says "Freediver should be beheaded for being a troll". So how far should this (charging protestors) go? Where would you draw the line?
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