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Re: "You're not in Australia now."
Reply #15 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 4:18pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:

We need some inner-city, cafe-latte trendies to go out to Bankstown to teach them tolerance.

been to bankstown many times, never a problem .... but then again I don't go around talking down to them and treating them as if they were beneath me.

Lived, worked and driven Sydney aeons ago. Had flat in St. Peter's and fed a stamping plant with a wide-mouthed shovel at Austral Bricks in my teens. P1ssed on my hands to heal blisters. 16yo and no car - far away from home.

Had a barmaid girlfiend at the Ashfield Tavern before Milperra. Done Paramatta Road from Central Station to Church Street in 14 mins.

Ran a Kawasaki 900 from my flat's garage, opposite Western Suburbs Leagues Club on Liverpool Road.

Been there, done that.

You miss the point.

Some of those experiences are limited by the use-by date - they're no longer applicable.

The Bankstown you know, ain't necessarily the Bankstown I knew.

If I were to ever walk back through Ashfield, after all these years, I have no doubt that I would feel alienated.

After 40 years, I can sill return to the town of my childhood and still be recognised.

And the point of your homily is, Lionel? Roll Eyes

We all know that the Australia of even 10 years ago is a different country and as L.P.Hartley pointed out, "they do things differently there."

So why do you decry the passing of the past, Lionel? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 4:25pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 9:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:

We need some inner-city, cafe-latte trendies to go out to Bankstown to teach them tolerance.

been to bankstown many times, never a problem .... but then again I don't go around talking down to them and treating them as if they were beneath me.

Lived, worked and driven Sydney aeons ago. Had flat in St. Peter's and fed a stamping plant with a wide-mouthed shovel at Austral Bricks in my teens. P1ssed on my hands to heal blisters. 16yo and no car - far away from home.

Had a barmaid girlfiend at the Ashfield Tavern before Milperra. Done Paramatta Road from Central Station to Church Street in 14 mins.

Ran a Kawasaki 900 from my flat's garage, opposite Western Suburbs Leagues Club on Liverpool Road.

Been there, done that.

You miss the point.

Some of those experiences are limited by the use-by date - they're no longer applicable.

The Bankstown you know, ain't necessarily the Bankstown I knew.

If I were to ever walk back through Ashfield, after all these years, I have no doubt that I would feel alienated.

After 40 years, I can sill return to the town of my childhood and still be recognised.

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:15pm:

been to bankstown many times, never a problem ....

Then again, if you've never raced on Parramatta Rd or visited 'Brickies' ...

Do you know Sydney?

Nice try but I'm not going back 40 yrs, I only moved up to the GC 6 yrs ago ... lots of lebanese and muslims around when i was there .. I doubt it's change dmuch over the last 6 yrs.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #17 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:57am

A propos 'you are not in Australia, pilgrim':

(Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - Mina is a town near Mecca, where pilgrims sleep in tents and stone three pillars, representing the satan, with seven pebbles, on the last day of Hajj. The Saudi government has built thousand of air-conditioned tents to accommodate pilgrims, during this ritual.

A known female community leader said that when the local group entered Tent Section 40, an area designated for American, European and Australian Muslims, a pilgrim in the group was asked about his sect, by a member of another group.

"When he said he was Shi'a, they called him Kafir (infidel) and attacked him," said the woman, who did not want her name to be revealed, for safety concerns, until she leaves Saudi Arabia next week.

The attackers, who are Australians of Lebanese descent, then hit three other men in the group and dragged one into a tent, while choking and kicking him.

"They took him into a woman's tent and had him in a chokehold. They were choking him out. When our guys got to him, he was blue," she said.

The attackers threatened the pilgrims to leave the tent area, while bringing up historic sectarian references.

"We will kill you Shi'a men and rape your women," they shouted, according to the source.

The source said security officers at the tent area were aware of the attack, but stood by and did not do anything to stop it.

The pilgrims left the tent area from the emergency exits and waited about an hour for their buses to arrive and drive them back to the hotel, which was 15 minutes away.

"We were terrified. When you have someone threatening your life and threatening to rape your women and having the audacity to make such remarks and walk into your tent, you take those threats seriously," said the female community leader.

Police came to the scene, after the group had gotten out to the main road, cooperated with the pilgrims' guide and promised to get them justice. However, police officers deleted video recordings of the attack from the pilgrims' phones.

The local group returned to Mina, without police assistance, on Thursday, Oct. 17, to complete the ritual and stone the pillars that represent the satan.

They were required to spend Thursday night praying in Mina, but since they feared for their lives, they will seek a religious accommodation for being unable to complete that ritual.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=473388

But they no doubt will return 'home' to Australia.
Or at least to Bankstownistan.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: "You're not in Australia now." Reply #18 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 3:49pm Bankstownistan - I like that. Have you ever heard Uncle Sam Soren? Very funny. Camden - change to Islamden Tasmania - to be become Australia''s first islamic state - Islamania. http://www.sbs.com.au/vote4unclesam/
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: "You're not in Australia now." Reply #19 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 5:41pm --and the weather will no longer be, fine or storms. Henceforce it will be sunni or shite
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Reply #20 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 7:34pm

moses wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 5:41pm:

--and the weather will no longer be, fine or storms.

Henceforce it will be sunni or shite

Yeah, the weather will no longer be fine.

You girls are worried about few muslims fighting in another country while our local non muslims start bushfires and loot homes after the fires.

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Reply #21 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 9:59pm

Soren wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:57am:

A propos 'you are not in Australia, pilgrim':

(Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - Mina is a town near Mecca, where pilgrims sleep in tents and stone three pillars, representing the satan, with seven pebbles, on the last day of Hajj. The Saudi government has built thousand of air-conditioned tents to accommodate pilgrims, during this ritual.

A known female community leader said that when the local group entered Tent Section 40, an area designated for American, European and Australian Muslims, a pilgrim in the group was asked about his sect, by a member of another group.

"When he said he was Shi'a, they called him Kafir (infidel) and attacked him,"

said the woman, who did not want her name to be revealed, for safety concerns, until she leaves Saudi Arabia next week.

The attackers, who are Australians of Lebanese descent, then hit three other men in the group and dragged one into a tent, while choking and kicking him.

"They took him into a woman's tent and had him in a chokehold. They were choking him out. When our guys got to him, he was blue," she said.

The attackers threatened the pilgrims to leave the tent area, while bringing up historic sectarian references.

"We will kill you Shi'a men and rape your women," they shouted, according to the source.

The source said security officers at the tent area were aware of the attack, but stood by and did not do anything to stop it.

The pilgrims left the tent area from the emergency exits and waited about an hour for their buses to arrive and drive them back to the hotel, which was 15 minutes away.

"We were terrified. When you have someone threatening your life and threatening to rape your women and having the audacity to make such remarks and walk into your tent, you take those threats seriously," said the female community leader.

Police came to the scene, after the group had gotten out to the main road, cooperated with the pilgrims' guide and promised to get them justice. However, police officers deleted video recordings of the attack from the pilgrims' phones.

The local group returned to Mina, without police assistance, on Thursday, Oct. 17, to complete the ritual and stone the pillars that represent the satan.

They were required to spend Thursday night praying in Mina, but since they feared for their lives, they will seek a religious accommodation for being unable to complete that ritual.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=473388

But ISLAM remains a peace loving and tolerant faith.

Ask any moslem.

Ask gandalf!

Ask any British moslem!

This ---> is how the moslem community [often/always] seek to portray their religion [to those who are outside of their own 'camp'];

IMAGE....

A moslem advertising campaign [2007] in the UK.
Which promotes [British] moslems as normal, integrated citizens, who reject all forms of extremism.
"PROUD TO BE A BRITISH MOSLEM"

It just makes you proud, doesn't it!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #22 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 6:32am

Yadda wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 9:59pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:57am:

A propos 'you are not in Australia, pilgrim':

(Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - Mina is a town near Mecca, where pilgrims sleep in tents and stone three pillars, representing the satan, with seven pebbles, on the last day of Hajj. The Saudi government has built thousand of air-conditioned tents to accommodate pilgrims, during this ritual.

A known female community leader said that when the local group entered Tent Section 40, an area designated for American, European and Australian Muslims, a pilgrim in the group was asked about his sect, by a member of another group.

"When he said he was Shi'a, they called him Kafir (infidel) and attacked him,"

said the woman, who did not want her name to be revealed, for safety concerns, until she leaves Saudi Arabia next week.

The attackers, who are Australians of Lebanese descent, then hit three other men in the group and dragged one into a tent, while choking and kicking him.

"They took him into a woman's tent and had him in a chokehold. They were choking him out. When our guys got to him, he was blue," she said.

The attackers threatened the pilgrims to leave the tent area, while bringing up historic sectarian references.

"We will kill you Shi'a men and rape your women," they shouted, according to the source.

The source said security officers at the tent area were aware of the attack, but stood by and did not do anything to stop it.

The pilgrims left the tent area from the emergency exits and waited about an hour for their buses to arrive and drive them back to the hotel, which was 15 minutes away.

"We were terrified. When you have someone threatening your life and threatening to rape your women and having the audacity to make such remarks and walk into your tent, you take those threats seriously," said the female community leader.

Police came to the scene, after the group had gotten out to the main road, cooperated with the pilgrims' guide and promised to get them justice. However, police officers deleted video recordings of the attack from the pilgrims' phones.

The local group returned to Mina, without police assistance, on Thursday, Oct. 17, to complete the ritual and stone the pillars that represent the satan.

They were required to spend Thursday night praying in Mina, but since they feared for their lives, they will seek a religious accommodation for being unable to complete that ritual.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=473388

But ISLAM remains a peace loving and tolerant faith.

Ask any moslem.

Ask gandalf!

Ask any British moslem!

This ---> is how the moslem community [often/always] seek to portray their religion [to those who are outside of their own 'camp'];

IMAGE....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/London_Bus_2.jpg

A moslem advertising campaign [2007] in the UK.
Which promotes [British] moslems as normal, integrated citizens, who reject all forms of extremism.
"PROUD TO BE A BRITISH MOSLEM"

It just makes you proud, doesn't it!

When have you shown peace and tolerance?

Jesus would even disown you.

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Reply #24 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:16am

wally1 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 8:40am:

Tolerance, peace and mercy in the bible versus tolerance,peace and mercy in the Koran

http://i.imgur.com/rJDJILB.jpg

Source ?

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I know that many people in this 'modern' age would suppose, that the OT laws [of Moses] were 'vicious' and 'barbaric' laws.

They are often portrayed in that way, by many people today.

But having read and become a little familiar with those OT [criminal] laws, i would have to say that yes, although those laws [OT laws of Moses relating to strictly criminal matters] were sometimes very harsh to criminals, yet i believe that those O.T. laws do teach man [would instil in men] a propensity for ethical behaviour.

And personally, i would be happy to live in a society where those were laws were 'imposed' on the society, because i know [that is, i believe] that such a society, would be a safe and decent place to live [for honest, and non-violent people].

e.g.

Deuteronomy 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.
21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

Deuteronomy 4:1
Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
3 Your eyes have seen what the LORD did because of Baalpeor: for all the men that followed Baalpeor, the LORD thy God hath destroyed them from among you.
4 But ye that did cleave unto the LORD your God are alive every one of you this day.
5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #25 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:35am

wally1 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 6:32am:

When have you shown peace and tolerance?

Lots, and lots of times.

But if i were to openly tolerate wickedness, that would indicate that i was [had become] a wicked person.

Goodness, becoming tolerant of wickedness....

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.....if we join what is precious with what is vile, we do not in that act, 'improve' that which is vile.
We merely corrupt that which is precious.

e.g.
I have two buckets.
The first bucket is full of clean, fresh water.
The second bucket is full of sewage.

Q.
If i pour both buckets into a third container, what do i get?

A.
A third container, full of diluted sewage.

Conclusion?
While i could safely drink from the 1st bucket, i could *not* safely drink from the 2nd bucket, or the 3rd container.
So it is with evil, that is 'tolerated' by good people.
No matter how many times we repeat the phrase, "Tolerance is good.",
...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue.
It is a process, a progression.
Whenever we choose to become tolerant of evil [in our midst], it is certain, as night follows day, that we ourselves, will become evil.
i.e.
If we are tolerant of what is clearly evil, it is because we now ARE evil.

When we embrace the concept of 'tolerance', but what we are prepared to tolerate is clearly evil,
...we become those, who are evil, OURSELVES.

Our 'tolerance' of evil, is not tolerance.
It is wickedness!

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Think about this,
If we tolerate evil, and wickedness, in our midst,
...we, ourselves, will become those, who are evil.

And tolerance of evil, is not 'tolerance'.

It is wickedness!

And today people just don't get that truth.

In fact most people will strenuously deny that logic.

No matter how many times we repeat the phrase, "Tolerance is desirable, and good, and peaceable.",
...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue.

Whenever we choose to be tolerant of evil [in our midst], it is certain, as night follows day, that we ourselves, will become evil.

Our 'tolerance' of evil, merely reveals the wickedness which is ALREADY within us!

And if you are a person who is "tolerant" of evil behaviour, DON'T KID YOURSELF,
...God hates you.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Karl Popper

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann

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Jesus would even disown you.

That is a possibility.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #26 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:19pm

Australia is one big Crime Scene - police tape circumnavigates this continent, with a separate tape for Tasmania. All crime scenes

all non indigenous people within this crime scene are invading thieves and murder accomplices who cannot point to a proper and just treaty in order to live here with integrity and honesty

Everything else discussed in this putrid foul smelling thread topic is totally null and void.

TERRA NULLIUS - WHITE MANS RACIST FASCIST GENOCIDE

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Reply #27 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:24pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:19pm:

Australia is one big Crime Scene - police tape circumnavigates this continent, with a separate tape for Tasmania. All crime scenes

all non indigenous people within this crime scene are invading thieves and murder accomplices who cannot point to a proper and just treaty in order to live here with integrity and honesty

Everything else discussed in this putrid foul smelling thread topic is totally null and void.

TERRA NULLIUS - WHITE MANS RACIST FASCIST GENOCIDE

Over the intercom Nurse Ratchette announces in a relaxed voice- medication time... medication time! (violins fill the ward). Chimp Logic is in the corner busily painting himself with his own poo.

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Reply #28 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:35pm

Big Dave wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:24pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:19pm:

Australia is one big Crime Scene - police tape circumnavigates this continent, with a separate tape for Tasmania. All crime scenes

all non indigenous people within this crime scene are invading thieves and murder accomplices who cannot point to a proper and just treaty in order to live here with integrity and honesty

Everything else discussed in this putrid foul smelling thread topic is totally null and void.

TERRA NULLIUS - WHITE MANS RACIST FASCIST GENOCIDE

Over the intercom Nurse Ratchette announces in a relaxed voice- medication time... medication time! (violins fill the ward). Chimp Logic is in the corner busily painting himself with his own poo.

...actually I like that one. at least its remotely creative

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Reply #29 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:39pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:35pm:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:24pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:19pm:

Australia is one big Crime Scene - police tape circumnavigates this continent, with a separate tape for Tasmania. All crime scenes

all non indigenous people within this crime scene are invading thieves and murder accomplices who cannot point to a proper and just treaty in order to live here with integrity and honesty

Everything else discussed in this putrid foul smelling thread topic is totally null and void.

TERRA NULLIUS - WHITE MANS RACIST FASCIST GENOCIDE

Over the intercom Nurse Ratchette announces in a relaxed voice- medication time... medication time! (violins fill the ward). Chimp Logic is in the corner busily painting himself with his own poo.

...actually I like that one. at least its remotely creative

I got a joke for ya. The photograph you posted inspired me. Here it goes. Q. What's the difference between a bicycle and the aboriginals in that photo? A. a bicycle doesn't sing when you chain it up. BABOOM!!

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