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Labor destroys business for start up companies.
May 31st, 2013 at 1:52pm
 
How many new start up companies have been destroyed by Labor's tax?
You can get taxed on shares that may be worthless one day -
taxed before you even cash them in.
See the example below.

It stinks & shows Labor wants to destroy all business & destroy our country.

Why does Labor want to destroy our country?


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-30/start-ups-say-tax-laws-are-crippling-their...24090

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The ABC understands the Federal Government has been forced to look for a fix to tax laws which start-ups say are crippling their viability.

At the CeBIT business technology exhibition in Sydney, it was a talking point among the 100 start-ups that gathered to show off their wares.

Fast growth companies, or start-ups, have been complaining since 2009 about what they say are complex and onerous laws surrounding Employee Share Option Programs (ESOPs).

ESOPs are a critical currency for luring talent away from big companies with the promise of big rewards if the business is sold.

But unlike in the United States, the shares are taxed from the moment they are offered - despite not having any real value.

For instance, imagine you joined a start-up worth $1 million with a salary of $50,000 and a 10 per cent share of the company.

You could not cash that 10 per cent share in until the company is sold in the future.

In the eyes of the tax man, your income is $150,000, even though you only earned a $50,000 salary.

After the tax office has taken its share of $43,447, you are left with just $6,553.

"It's like walking into a newsagency, buying a lotto ticket for $10 and then having to pay another $100 in case you win," said Mick Liubinskas, the chief executive of Pollenizer.

Pollenizer is a company working to foster the development of start-ups in Australia.

"When you're starting a brand new company you're starting with typically no money - so you've got a big idea, lots of potential ... but there's no money," Mr Liubinskas said.

"What you do is carve up the company and you share it between you.

"Where it becomes really difficult is when you start to have some success...when you've got some value but you don't have enough cash but you're trying to lure someone away from a big salary."

Norton Rose lawyer Nick Abrahams says copying the model in the United States would be the best solution.

"In a nutshell, the American laws tax employee share options when the employee exercises the option," he said.

"So once you exercise the option you would then have money so you would be able to pay the tax."

It's understood Communications Minister Stephen Conroy's update to the National Digital Economy Strategy will consider the issue.

The strategy is expected to be released in a few weeks.
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Reply #1 - May 31st, 2013 at 2:21pm
 
Explains why there are little hi-tech startups operating in this country Sad

They prefer to put 13 billion a year back into the pockets of property hoarders and speculators through negative gearing tax rorts instead of creating real jobs based on new ideas and inventions from prospective startups. It's little wonder why we don't have companies of the likes of google and apple here and why they have to keep doling out bribe money to get foreign car companies to make cars for us Sad

And note how they are taxing the notional value of the shares which are only really valuable when the business has got off the ground and proved to be successful which could take years. Meanwhile how do you pay your bills with worthless shares ? The government is like a bunch of grave robbers Sad

This place is well and truly f.cked Sad
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Reply #2 - May 31st, 2013 at 5:00pm
 
Endless cash from gillard for start up people smuggler business's though  Sad
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Reply #3 - May 31st, 2013 at 5:56pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 2:21pm:
Explains why there are little hi-tech startups operating in this country Sad

They prefer to put 13 billion a year back into the pockets of property hoarders and speculators through negative gearing tax rorts instead of creating real jobs based on new ideas and inventions from prospective startups. It's little wonder why we don't have companies of the likes of google and apple here and why they have to keep doling out bribe money to get foreign car companies to make cars for us Sad

And note how they are taxing the notional value of the shares which are only really valuable when the business has got off the ground and proved to be successful which could take years. Meanwhile how do you pay your bills with worthless shares ? The government is like a bunch of grave robbers Sad

This place is well and truly f.cked Sad



Yes Nail,
no wonder jobs are going overseas - the tax rules in this country just see any business
as a cash cow for a bankrupt Government.
The Govt. will drain any business dry & wreck it.

This Labor Govt. is anti-business & anti-jobs.

No wonder just about everyone I know has lost their job.
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Reply #4 - May 31st, 2013 at 6:00pm
 
I posted some time ago about how labors laws are making things so much harder for small business. this is just another example.
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Reply #5 - May 31st, 2013 at 6:14pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 6:00pm:
I posted some time ago about how labors laws are making things so much harder for small business. this is just another example.



Yes Longweekend,
we need to copy the tax laws in the USA which encourage startup business & innovation.

Never mind - Tony will organize it soon.
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Reply #6 - May 31st, 2013 at 6:17pm
 
Very odd indeed, but given their current budget situation I'd doubt they will change it anytime sooner.  What a waste, what nonsensical bullcrap this tax is.
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Reply #7 - May 31st, 2013 at 6:50pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on May 31st, 2013 at 6:17pm:
Very odd indeed, but given their current budget situation I'd doubt they will change it anytime sooner.  What a waste, what nonsensical bullcrap this tax is.



Even a small business with only  20 employees has to hire an accountant
full time to try to ensure that tax laws are complied with -
what a waste of money for any business.

Now many more businesses will have to send their tax off monthly instead of once per year.

Farmers have to pay provisional tax for crops that are not even in the ground.
They have to borrow money to pay the tax or the tax Dept. will sue them in court
& take their farm from them - that's if the bank doesn't do it first.

This whole country is being destroyed by outrageous tax laws.

We will all be down at Centerlink before long.

I hope that Tony Abbott will fix these crazy laws when he comes to power & get the economy moving again.
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Reply #8 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 9:16am
 
Doesn't anyone have other ridiculous tax laws that they could add to the list?

It seems the all Governments tax businesses out of existence.
This is costing jobs.
Will Tony fix it?
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Reply #9 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 11:43am
 
One analysts has suggested that the Libs could massively increase their already large lead by promising a wide range of small business reforms of which this is just one example. even a labor-leaning small business owner being hampered by labors anti-business, pro-union, pro regulation regime could be moved the liberal side by a policy to make things easier for them. and that is without a relaxation of the IR laws that are draconian in many ways already.
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Reply #10 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:49pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 11:43am:
One analysts has suggested that the Libs could massively increase their already large lead by promising a wide range of small business reforms of which this is just one example. even a labor-leaning small business owner being hampered by labors anti-business, pro-union, pro regulation regime could be moved the liberal side by a policy to make things easier for them. and that is without a relaxation of the IR laws that are draconian in many ways already.



Wow Longweekend - you might end up being my buddy for this election.  Shocked
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Reply #11 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 3:37pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:49pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 11:43am:
One analysts has suggested that the Libs could massively increase their already large lead by promising a wide range of small business reforms of which this is just one example. even a labor-leaning small business owner being hampered by labors anti-business, pro-union, pro regulation regime could be moved the liberal side by a policy to make things easier for them. and that is without a relaxation of the IR laws that are draconian in many ways already.



Wow Longweekend - you might end up being my buddy for this election.  Shocked


that is a disturbing notion!!!  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #12 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:55pm
 
It's not just start up companies that end up impacted by some of rescinding if grants implemented by the Federal Labor Party.

In their mad rush attempt to get their much desired surplus the Federal Labor Government detailed to us (and all of our competitors) that R&D grants on streamlining of energy delivery, of improvement in shale fracking processes, of offshore exploration within Australian waters, would all be either cut or completely removed.

This had the effect of millions of dollars falling on industry - while the Government continues to reap the rewards of this R&D work.
This has hit the smaller exploration companies in Australia who end up needing to team with the bigger multi nationals just to stay afloat.

In recent meetings the industry had with Julie Bishop and Josh Frydenberg, it seems there will be a likelihood these grants will come back and make Australia again a more attractive place to carry out R&D.

The current Government I have to say have been disappointingly short sighted - particularly with the energy industry - in it's need to deliver a short term surplus and without thinking of how cuts they make will impact the longer term future.
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Reply #13 - Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:59pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 3:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 12:49pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 11:43am:
One analysts has suggested that the Libs could massively increase their already large lead by promising a wide range of small business reforms of which this is just one example. even a labor-leaning small business owner being hampered by labors anti-business, pro-union, pro regulation regime could be moved the liberal side by a policy to make things easier for them. and that is without a relaxation of the IR laws that are draconian in many ways already.



Wow Longweekend - you might end up being my buddy for this election.  Shocked


that is a disturbing notion!!!  Grin Grin Grin



Very disturbing - LOL.
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Reply #14 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 10:49am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 4:55pm:
It's not just start up companies that end up impacted by some of rescinding if grants implemented by the Federal Labor Party.

In their mad rush attempt to get their much desired surplus the Federal Labor Government detailed to us (and all of our competitors) that R&D grants on streamlining of energy delivery, of improvement in shale fracking processes, of offshore exploration within Australian waters, would all be either cut or completely removed.

This had the effect of millions of dollars falling on industry - while the Government continues to reap the rewards of this R&D work.
This has hit the smaller exploration companies in Australia who end up needing to team with the bigger multi nationals just to stay afloat.

In recent meetings the industry had with Julie Bishop and Josh Frydenberg, it seems there will be a likelihood these grants will come back and make Australia again a more attractive place to carry out R&D.

The current Government I have to say have been disappointingly short sighted - particularly with the energy industry - in it's need to deliver a short term surplus and without thinking of how cuts they make will impact the longer term future.



Yes Andrei,
but why do governments demand provisional tax for crops that aren't even in the ground?

It's ridiculous - & no wonder farmers are selling up & moving to the city.

As if floods and droughts are not enough -
the Govt. does it's best to destroy their business too.

I don't understand it.
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