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Reply #15 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:55am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:45pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Maybe you could borrow a Gitmo from Obama - he doesn't want his.

Yes, yes apparently that's the case.
Or rather thats what he told the American people when campaigning.

So interesting in Jan 2011 he signed into law the Defense Authorization Bill which places restrictions on transferring of detainees from Gitmo facility to the US mainland - which prevents the ability to close the facilities......

Me thinks some y'all fell for his play hook, line and sinker.

Well said.

Obama played the Lefty sob-sisters like a violin. He 'worked the crowd' with romantic promises that under his administration the US would reclaim its moral credentials by closing down Gitmo for being a stain upon America's reputation for fairness and transparency.

Needless to say, once in office he was soon made privy to the successes that had been gained at Guantanamo Bay, and the reasons why it should continue to function offshore from the US mainland.

Made a lot of sense to him once he was apprised of all the facts, and hence his backflip.

Same with Julia and Nauru.

And speaking of 'back-flips' ~ there are going to be an awful lot of shame-faced and embarrassed Labour voters doing a back-flip this coming 14th September.

Maybe even Mr Grey and Peter Freedman will be performing a back-flip at the polling booths worthy of Circus Oz or Cirque du Soleil... Tongue

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Re: Australia needs a Guantanamo Bay
Reply #16 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 7:17am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:55am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:45pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Maybe you could borrow a Gitmo from Obama - he doesn't want his.

Yes, yes apparently that's the case.
Or rather thats what he told the American people when campaigning.

So interesting in Jan 2011 he signed into law the Defense Authorization Bill which places restrictions on transferring of detainees from Gitmo facility to the US mainland - which prevents the ability to close the facilities......

Me thinks some y'all fell for his play hook, line and sinker.

Well said.

Obama played the Lefty sob-sisters like a violin. He 'worked the crowd' with romantic promises that under his administration the US would reclaim its moral credentials by closing down Gitmo for being a stain upon America's reputation for fairness and transparency.

Needless to say, once in office he was soon made privy to the successes that had been gained at Guantanamo Bay, and the reasons why it should continue to function offshore from the US mainland.

Made a lot of sense to him once he was apprised of all the facts, and hence his backflip.

Same with Julia and Nauru.

And speaking of 'back-flips' ~ there are going to be an awful lot of shame-faced and embarrassed Labour voters doing a back-flip this coming 14th September.

Maybe even Mr Grey and Peter Freedman will be performing a back-flip at the polling booths worthy of Circus Oz or Cirque du Soleil... Tongue

There has been no back flip. A month ago, in an interview with the Washington Post, Obama declared he still wanted to close Gitmo.

Problems include determined opposition from the Republicans and the lack of anywhere to send the 166 prisoners held there.

Obama is looking at the possibility of sending many of them to Yemen - 100 of the prisoners are Yemenis.

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Re: Australia needs a Guantanamo Bay
Reply #17 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 8:21am

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 7:17am:

Obama is looking at the possibility of sending many of them to Yemen - 100 of the prisoners are Yemenis.

You must be joking.

Yemen is one of the countries where the US sent the worst of them under contract to be severely tortured beyond what the US itself would allow.

Dear O dear, what a pratfall.

Here's what your mob thinks of democracy when it doesn't agree with their own socialist agenda...

This will be a familiar scene to Pauline Hanson and David Oldfield.

Enjoy.

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Reply #19 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 10:57am

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

I don't have a mob.

Of course you do. Let's start with the ABC, the BBC, CNN, SBS, the Resistance mob, the Che Guevara Admiration Society, the Fidel Castro Fan Club ... and numerous others.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

The right to protest is a sign of a free society.

Correct!

But this is provided your protest is conducted in a manner that is considerate of others having a democratic right to speak in public and be listened to without undue harassment and interruption.

It's for this reason that it's not a breach of the law for protesters to be man-handled and bodily removed from a meeting hall.

Under any other circumstance such action would be judged a serious assault upon a person's body and liberty, and be subject to prosecution in a court of law.

Years of news reports have demonstrated very clearly that you Lefties are WAY more intolerant about the right to free speech than are those to the Right of the polity.

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Reply #20 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:05am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

I don't have a mob.

Of course you do. Let's start with the ABC, the BBC, CNN, SBS, the Resistance mob, the Che Guevara Admiration Society, the Fidel Castro Fan Club ... and numerous others.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

The right to protest is a sign of a free society.

Correct!

But this is provided your protest is conducted in a manner that is considerate of others having a democratic right to speak in public and be listened to without undue harassment and interruption.

It's for this reason that it's not a breach of the law for protesters to be man-handled and bodily removed from a meeting hall.

Under any other circumstance such action would be judged a serious assault upon a person's body and liberty, and be subject to prosecution in a court of law.

Years of news reports have demonstrated very clearly that you Lefties are WAY more intolerant about the right to free speech than are those to the Right of the polity.

Easley noticed when the lefties are out for a protest no one is ever out there protesting against them, but when a right wing group hits to the street to protest you will always find a left wing group protesting against the right.

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Reply #21 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:45am:

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps.

Oh really? Would you pay money to be locked up in one?

SOB

No problems. I know what the conditions are, unlike yourself.

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Reply #22 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:27am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:36am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 5:46pm:

The centres are concentration camps.

Correct.

'Concentration camps' in the correct and original meaning of the word.

Not ~ repeat, NOT 'extermination camps'.

Before the war, Dachau was used as a concentration camp in the original meaning of the word. Prisoners came and went after doing their time, or being found innocent of the charges against them.

Nice try, Peter, but this didn't win you a free holiday to Moscow and Lenin's mausoleum this time.

Pretty sure nobody said extermination camps . . .. .

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Reply #23 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:29am

ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:45am:

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps.

Oh really? Would you pay money to be locked up in one?

SOB

No problems. I know what the conditions are, unlike yourself.

Thats an interesting comment since you know nothing about me @ all. it so happens that i do know what they are like and they are NOT holiday camps.

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Reply #24 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:41am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:45am:

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps.

Oh really? Would you pay money to be locked up in one?

SOB

No problems. I know what the conditions are, unlike yourself.

Thats an interesting comment since you know nothing about me @ all. it so happens that i do know what they are like and they are NOT holiday camps.

SOB

From your comments I can tell you know nothing about these detention facilities. These people actually get paid while they are inside, food is provided by world class chefs, recreational facilites of all types are provided. Educational facilites, free movement within the facilites, internet access, etc. etc. the list goes on. Any crimes committed inside are either overlooked or treated extremely leniently. I know from my own personal experience that many of these people would rather stay in these camps indefinitely than go back to thier own country.

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Reply #25 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 12:26pm

ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:45am:

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps.

Oh really? Would you pay money to be locked up in one?

SOB

No problems. I know what the conditions are, unlike yourself.

Thats an interesting comment since you know nothing about me @ all. it so happens that i do know what they are like and they are NOT holiday camps.

SOB

From your comments I can tell you know nothing about these detention facilities. These people actually get paid while they are inside, food is provided by world class chefs, recreational facilites of all types are provided. Educational facilites, free movement within the facilites, internet access, etc. etc. the list goes on. Any crimes committed inside are either overlooked or treated extremely leniently. I know from my own personal experience that many of these people would rather stay in these camps indefinitely than go back to thier own country.

A gilded cage is still a cage. They are guarded by ppl with guns. They are just privately owned prisons. You have no idea. You cant tell anything of the sort.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Australia needs a Guantanamo Bay Reply #26 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 12:36pm They are not guarded by armed guards and they are nothing like prisons. You are complety ignorant on this subject.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Australia needs a Guantanamo Bay Reply #27 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 12:40pm ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 12:36pm: They are not guarded by armed guards and they are nothing like prisons. You are complety ignorant on this subject. Yes they are. YOU are ignorant on the subject it seems. SOB
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Australia needs a Guantanamo Bay Reply #28 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 1:28pm Youre a moron. I have only worked in these places as a translator , fool. Now go and sit in the corner with your dunce cap on.
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Reply #29 - Jun 6^th, 2013 at 3:05pm

ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:45am:

[quote author=ian link=1370039846/10#10 date=1370436121]No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps.

Oh really? Would you pay money to be locked up in one?

ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

I know what the conditions are, unlike yourself.

So do I.

I was confined to a private English Boarding School for 7 years ... with the cane being a frequent option for maintaining discipline.

Trust me when I say that the Detention Centres are a Butlins Holiday Camp compared to an English boarding school of the 50's.

No government paid for our cigarettes. Cool

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