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Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?
Reply #30 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 1:38am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 12:14am:

Would you care to tell us what comments or actions of Tony Abbott in his time as Opposition Leader cause him to be cast as "Extreme Right Wing" then DNA?

I have to be honest and say I don't find him to be extreme at all.

Mr Fraser, who served as prime minister from 1975-83, reportedly has quit the Liberal Party over long-standing differences with its direction.

"Mr Fraser's resignation is highlighting some of the extreme policies that Mr Abbott and his opposition have been drawn to

http://www.afr.com/p/national/fraser_quit_because_abbott_too_extreme_rK9cyxr2hki...

Past Lib PM's say he is extreme ???

Some quotes.

Writing for The Australian in October 2008, he claimed that paid parental leave – like abortion – was part of a "radical women's agenda" championed by extreme feminists in the Labor movement

Tony Abbott said “I won’t be rushing out to get my daughters vaccinated, maybe that’s because I’m a cruel, callow, callous, heartless bastard but, look, I won’t be“

Tony Abbott quotes – Maternity Leave, over his Government’s dead body

Tony Abbott says Fr Nestor a priest struck off by the Vatican was “He was … a beacon of humanity at seminary,” as he vouched for the priests character before a court.

Father John Gerard Nestor, a priest from the Wollongong area in NSW was charged with the indecent assault. Tony Abbott gave a glowing character reference.

Lance Corporal Jared MacKinney was shot dead in a battle with Taliban in Afghanistan. A war the Liberal party sent Australian military personnel into. Talking about the death of MacKinney, Tony Abbott said “poo happens”.

I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons’

‘Climate change is absolute crap’ / ‘If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.’

The government's emissions trading scheme is the perfect political response to the public's fears. It's a plausible means to limit carbon emissions that doesn't impose any obvious costs on voters....

...Whyalla will be wiped off the map by Julia Gillard’s carbon tax

I say to Julia Gillard, what have you got against the people of Gladstone? Why are you trying to close down Gladstone with your mining tax and your carbon tax?

We did take an ETS as our policy to the last election. We are prepared to have an ETS,

So we are taking this issue seriously and we would like to see an ETS which excludes agriculture, which protects Australian jobs, which doesn't damage export industries, which is at least as...

The argument [behind climate change] is absolute crap. However, the politics of this are tough for us.

Abortion is the easy way out. It’s hardly surprising that people should choose the most convenient exit from awkward situations.

There may not be a great job for [aboriginal people] but whatever there is, they just have to do it

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Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?
Reply #31 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 8:11am

Six months into an Abbott govt when we are sinking deeper into recession, the Aussie dollar has collapsed causing an inflation bubble and petrol prices spike above record levels. He is at war with unions over basic pay and conditions and unemployment is fast approaching double figures I wonder how long he will keep his job as leader of the Libs... Grin

Im kinda looking forward to saying "I told you so" to the right wing nut jobs who vote this hardline nutbag into power" Grin

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Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?
Reply #32 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 8:51am

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Common sense would say no but given how many MP's are well off the reservation I can't recall a party is such massive panic as this lot nor can I recall a political party at any level being this politically stupid. If they change leaders it will be out of spite as I can't see any plus side to the idea.

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Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?
Reply #33 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 8:57pm

It's still a definite possibility, if the ALP caucus has the guts to draft him into the leadership. Rudd still seems vindictive and as wily as ever. Why is a backbencher declaring to help out in the marginal seats? He could be in Beijing. If it was any other ex-PM they would be drafting an auto-biography by now...

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Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?
Reply #34 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 9:11pm

atticus wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

It's still a definite possibility, if the ALP caucus has the guts to draft him into the leadership. Rudd still seems vindictive and as wily as ever. Why is a backbencher declaring to help out in the marginal seats? He could be in Beijing. If it was any other ex-PM they would be drafting an auto-biography by now...

Why take it though? Easier and better politically to see Gillard lead the party over the cliff. Plus he doesn't need to negotiate with people who are likely not to be there after the election.

So far in elections he is one for one, Gillard has none and looks set to lose one for a negative 2.

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Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?
Reply #35 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 9:40pm

Datalife wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 9:11pm:

atticus wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

It's still a definite possibility, if the ALP caucus has the guts to draft him into the leadership. Rudd still seems vindictive and as wily as ever. Why is a backbencher declaring to help out in the marginal seats? He could be in Beijing. If it was any other ex-PM they would be drafting an auto-biography by now...

Why take it though? Easier and better politically to see Gillard lead the party over the cliff. Plus he doesn't need to negotiate with people who are likely not to be there after the election.

So far in elections he is one for one, Gillard has none and looks set to lose one for a negative 2.

Fair point, at least then in his own mind he could still go down in his auto-bio as Whitlam-esque. Tragically knocked from the throne, and a dignified Labor reformist. But some part of me thinks his disgust with a catastrophic defeat would be enough reason to step back up to the plate (provided he is drafted by the caucus). The real question is, do you think they have the courage to do that? As Ferguson, Creane, etc. did.

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Reply #36 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 8:08am

atticus wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

It's still a definite possibility, if the ALP caucus has the guts to draft him into the leadership. Rudd still seems vindictive and as wily as ever. Why is a backbencher declaring to help out in the marginal seats? He could be in Beijing. If it was any other ex-PM they would be drafting an auto-biography by now...

rodya

ALP have guts ?

They could respect democracy and stick it up the unions that own them.

The very fact the knifed a leader that was in a winnable position as opposed to Gillard who never looked like winning and has damaged brand ALP beyond repair in the short term ?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour? Reply #37 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 1:39pm Comrade Fraser is more Left than Whitlam these days, why would the Liberal Party even care?
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour? Reply #38 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 1:41pm Grendel wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 1:39pm: Comrade Fraser is more Left than Whitlam these days, why would the Liberal Party even care? ex-PMs are a pain at best. Fraser is one of the worst. At least Hawke shuts up.
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Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?
Reply #39 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 1:48pm

Ironically, Rudd kinda makes sense at the moment. Not that I think his ego would permit it but given that the election is well and truly lost and labor looks like losing 35-40 seats the Ruddster actually makes sense now. There is only a few months left and while Gillard is still losing support, Rudd could halve the margin overnight to 15-20 seats which is HUGE in terms of the future.

A labor party that loses by such a relatively small margin can plan to rebuild a genuine assault on the government benches in 1-2 terms. A labor party that loses by the current expected margin will take 1-2 terms to even get enough members to form an opposition, nevermind a government.

Rudd gets to return to the Lodge, labor loses by far less and the opposition leader can be whoever.

Of course, Rudd wont go for it since his ego would not be fed by such a suicidal and self-less mission. And Gillard of course would never go willingly but would rather destroy the ALP for a generation rather than resign.

and that is why there will not be a federal labor government for 15 years - because there might not be a functional labor PARTY for at least 10 years.

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Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?
Reply #40 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 9:15pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

Comrade Fraser is more Left than Whitlam these days, why would the Liberal Party even care?

No as he puts it- 'everyone around him has moved over to the right'. He does have a bone to pick after quitting the Liberal Party in 2010. Look at his character assassination of Abbott a couple of years back.

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Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?
Reply #41 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 9:26pm

If the Polls don't start moving towards Julia soon, the Labour party will certainly play a last roll of the dice shifty closer to the election

THe Liberals will keep with Abbott as long as he is in front in the Polls against the lagging Julia.

If Labour shifts to Rudd or someone else, it will be at the 11th hour to catch the Libs wondering whether to ditch Abbott and go for a Turnbull type

At this stage, Labour cannot win - and will most likely be slaughtered at the polls (they didn't exactly have a big majority in the first place - in fact they didn't get a majority at all and needed the independents and greens to form office)

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Re: Will Labor change leaders at the eleventh hour?
Reply #42 - Jun 9^th, 2013 at 9:42pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Jun 9^th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

If the Polls don't start moving towards Julia soon, the Labour party will certainly play a last roll of the dice shifty closer to the election

THe Liberals will keep with Abbott as long as he is in front in the Polls against the lagging Julia.

If Labour shifts to Rudd or someone else, it will be at the 11th hour to catch the Libs wondering whether to ditch Abbott and go for a Turnbull type

At this stage, Labour cannot win - and will most likely be slaughtered at the polls (they didn't exactly have a big majority in the first place - in fact they didn't get a majority at all and needed the independents and greens to form office)

MMMMMM, I see how you came by your name. Does your logic also tell you the Libs would have needed to do a deal with independents to form government also? Does it also tell you Abbott was a total failure at the negotiating procedure? he was still in his UNI days mindset of offering his ass as some sort of reward.

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