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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR Reply #75 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:01pm Lib voters will preference Labor ahead of the Greens. Lesser of 2 weevils.......
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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR Reply #76 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:22pm Yea, great. I think looking at that the GREENS will pick up Batman. Furguson going will help too, the seat would never go to the women bashers party so Batman looks well like being the next GREEN HORs seat. Cool.
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR Reply #77 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:52pm Swagman wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:01pm: Lib voters will preference Labor ahead of the Greens. Lesser of 2 weevils....... Really. If Libs are same as Lab, why change government.
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Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR
Reply #78 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 6:11pm

____ wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Lib voters will preference Labor ahead of the Greens.

Lesser of 2 weevils.......

Really.
If Libs are same as Lab, why change government.

Didn't say they were the same just that from a Lib perspective Labor are less extreme and less radical.

In the electorates of Batman & Melbourne the Green candidate got 80% of Lib preferences.

I don't think this will happen again. Of course it depends upon the individual voter but I'd say the Lib 'how to vote' cards would have recommended that the ALP candidate be last. I don't think they will this time.

The reason is that in 2010 it was viewed to be to the Coalition's benefit to minimise the amount of ALP seats even if it meant electing a Green. This time around with the opinion polls the way they are this shouldn't be an issue. In fact I'd expect that the Coalition will have the opposite view and deliberately advise their voters not to preference the Greens ahead of Labor everywhere.
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Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR
Reply #79 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 6:19pm

Swagman wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 6:11pm:

____ wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Lib voters will preference Labor ahead of the Greens.

Lesser of 2 weevils.......

Really.
If Libs are same as Lab, why change government.

Didn't say they were the same just that from a Lib perspective Labor are less extreme and less radical.

In the electorates of Batman & Melbourne the Green candidate got 80% of Lib preferences.

I don't think this will happen again. Of course it depends upon the individual voter but I'd say the Lib 'how to vote' cards would have recommended that the ALP candidate be last. I don't think they will this time.

The reason is that in 2010 it was viewed to be to the Coalition's benefit to minimise the amount of ALP seats even if it meant electing a Green. This time around with the opinion polls the way they are this shouldn't be an issue. In fact I'd expect that the Coalition will have the opposite view and deliberately advise their voters not to preference the Greens ahead of Labor everywhere.
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This is true. Bandt will lose and the Greens won't come anywhere near winning Batman or any other seat.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59372 Here Gender:	Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR Reply #80 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 6:34pm Swagman wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:01pm: Lib voters will preference Labor ahead of the Greens. Lesser of 2 weevils....... Why would they care considering that the Libs are clearly the worst of 3 weevils
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Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR
Reply #81 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 6:37pm

Swagman wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 6:11pm:

____ wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:01pm:

Lib voters will preference Labor ahead of the Greens.

Lesser of 2 weevils.......

Really.
If Libs are same as Lab, why change government.

Didn't say they were the same just that from a Lib perspective Labor are less extreme and less radical.

In the electorates of Batman & Melbourne the Green candidate got 80% of Lib preferences.

I don't think this will happen again. Of course it depends upon the individual voter but I'd say the Lib 'how to vote' cards would have recommended that the ALP candidate be last. I don't think they will this time.

The reason is that in 2010 it was viewed to be to the Coalition's benefit to minimise the amount of ALP seats even if it meant electing a Green. This time around with the opinion polls the way they are this shouldn't be an issue. In fact I'd expect that the Coalition will have the opposite view and deliberately advise their voters not to preference the Greens ahead of Labor everywhere.
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It is understandable Libs fear the Greens more than Labor since Greens are fierce to their beliefs and will not cave.

People who think logically will preference Greens while voting conservative so to minimise ultra right policies being inflicted ~ like Workchoices.

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Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR
Reply #82 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:20pm

RightSadFred wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

longweekend58

I find it very undemocratic that we have the most regulated expensive labour market yet unionism is down to 14% its time that we see market deregulation and more democracy overall.

Obviously much of this democratic mismatch will be rectified at the upcoming election.

This govt has returned much of IR back to the days prior to the Accords. it gives unions right they do not deserve and will be a battleground for Abbott. Fortunately, 14% doesn't amount to much of a battle

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139711 Gender:	Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR Reply #83 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:29pm longweekend58 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:20pm: This govt has returned much of IR back to the days prior to the Accords. it gives unions right they do not deserve ... Such as?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75238 Gender:	Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR Reply #84 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:32pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:29pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:20pm: This govt has returned much of IR back to the days prior to the Accords. it gives unions right they do not deserve ... Such as? watch him run !!!!
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Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR
Reply #85 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 12:59pm:

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Yes I know, its terrible low income workers can join unions, and get a fair go.

u mean so that low-income workers can pay dues to the union so that the leaders can spend it on whores and holidays?

What a ridiculous statement.

How many union leaders are there in Australia, and how many of them are spending union fees on "whores and holidays"?

There are bad apples in almost every barrel: nobody would ever deny that.

And if any bad apple union leaders are found to be spending union money on "whores and holidays", they deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. Absolute scumbags who deserve everything they get.

Most union leaders, however, are hard-working decent people.

how many? WAY TOO MANY. and what's worse are the dropkicks on here defending it. The union movement has a major problem with corruption in case you missed some of the news (and arrests).

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Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR
Reply #86 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:33pm

skippy. wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

Yea, great. I think looking at that the GREENS will pick up Batman.
Furguson going will help too, the seat would never go to the women bashers party so Batman looks well like being the next GREEN HORs seat. Cool.

are you really that dumb??? the Greens will nto go close to winning ANY seat in the lower house plus lose at least 2 senators. That's what happens when you lose 40% of your vote in 3 years.

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Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR
Reply #87 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 12:59pm:

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Yes I know, its terrible low income workers can join unions, and get a fair go.

u mean so that low-income workers can pay dues to the union so that the leaders can spend it on whores and holidays?

What a ridiculous statement.

How many union leaders are there in Australia, and how many of them are spending union fees on "whores and holidays"?

There are bad apples in almost every barrel: nobody would ever deny that.

And if any bad apple union leaders are found to be spending union money on "whores and holidays", they deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. Absolute scumbags who deserve everything they get.

Most union leaders, however, are hard-working decent people.

how many? WAY TOO MANY. and what's worse are the dropkicks on here defending it. The union movement has a major problem with corruption in case you missed some of the news (and arrests).

so has every major police service .... do you suggest that all police are corrupt?

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Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR
Reply #88 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

This govt has returned much of IR back to the days prior to the Accords. it gives unions right they do not deserve ...

Such as?

right of entry without cause
right to examine books
right to choose subcontractors on building sites
unfair dismissal laws more draconian than prior to Keating

etc

oh and the govt gave the union movement $20M for... nothing.

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Re: Greens To Block Abbott's IR
Reply #89 - Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:36pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 2:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 12:59pm:

Quote:

Yes I know, its terrible low income workers can join unions, and get a fair go.

u mean so that low-income workers can pay dues to the union so that the leaders can spend it on whores and holidays?

What a ridiculous statement.

How many union leaders are there in Australia, and how many of them are spending union fees on "whores and holidays"?

There are bad apples in almost every barrel: nobody would ever deny that.

And if any bad apple union leaders are found to be spending union money on "whores and holidays", they deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. Absolute scumbags who deserve everything they get.

Most union leaders, however, are hard-working decent people.

how many? WAY TOO MANY. and what's worse are the dropkicks on here defending it. The union movement has a major problem with corruption in case you missed some of the news (and arrests).

so has every major police service .... do you suggest that all police are corrupt?

not a lot of cops stealing money and spending it on whores and holidays. and when it does happen, nobody defends it or pretends it is okay like with unions.

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