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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #105 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:24pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 11:57am:

Big Dave wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:33am:

Isn't funny how deep down you do-gooders on here want Australia to be the salvation of the world. You won't say it but you all believe that if they make it here you can stay. COME ON EVERYBODY. COME TO GOOD OLD AUS AND WE CAN SING AND DANCE AND WIGGLE IN THE SAND WITH NO CLOTHES ON, WEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Exactly. Only Mr Abbott can stop the boats.

Well Labor can't. No they can but they won't.

Dead right, Gillard could have stopped the boats years ago, but has chosen instead to attack Abbott in a vain attempt to score some political points at the expense of the illegal immigrants themselves.

Would that be by "Simply Picking up the Phone to Naru" teaspoon?

Well we have & its done bugger all

Oh we haven't towed any boats back?
I'll bet you $50 right now that by 2016 if Abbott's PM the sum total of returned boats is ZERO.
Did you listen to the Indonesian ambassador the other day or was that filtered out of your news prism of 2GB & the Tele?
Here's a link, bit hard to tow back when Indo doesn't recognize them, sure they'll take the boats & crew but what about the reffo's? The whole smacking purpose of the expensive & dangerous exercise?

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

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THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

Or is it TPV's we need to introduce teaspoon?
I've shown you numerous times before their introduction only changed asylum seekers from men to Women & children complete with figures & graphs from the ABS, are you stupid or have dementia?

Don't bother I already know.

The Coalition has never and will never tow any smugglers boats into an Indonesian port.
But towing them to just outside the 20 km line between what is Indonesian waters and International waters is where the boats was released before, and will be released again.
And of course the smugglers boats will have enough fuel on board to make a 20 km journey north, but no further.
And Indonesian permission is not required to do this whatsoever.
What are they going to do, fuel them up and send them back?

that sounds like a plan, and send up a few navy mine layers Wink

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #106 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

What about the crew on these boats, whats your opinion on their status.

GP, you didnt answer my question. are you scared?

If they ask for asylum, they are legal asylum seekers.

If they don't, then they are not asylum seekers.

Nothing to be scared of Ian.

greg, youre just like gillard, you bang on and on and on, but no one is listening mate. the electorate have stopped listening. sticking up for the country shoppers is political poison, no one is going to do it. illegal or not, there is no votes in being soft on crime (or non crime as you will no doubt, point out)

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #107 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:33pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

What about the crew on these boats, whats your opinion on their status.

GP, you didnt answer my question. are you scared?

If they ask for asylum, they are legal asylum seekers.

If they don't, then they are not asylum seekers.

Nothing to be scared of Ian.

greg, youre just like gillard, you bang on and on and on, but no one is listening mate. the electorate have stopped listening. sticking up for the country shoppers is political poison, no one is going to do it. illegal or not, there is no votes in being soft on crime (or non crime as you will no doubt, point out)

I was asked a question, and I answered it.

Not sure what you're going on about there.

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #108 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

What about the crew on these boats, whats your opinion on their status.

GP, you didnt answer my question. are you scared?

If they ask for asylum, they are legal asylum seekers.

If they don't, then they are not asylum seekers.

Nothing to be scared of Ian.

Incorrect. The crew on these boats are not classed as asylum seekers but criminals and are prosecuted to the full extent of Australian law. They currently get about 5 years in prison for crewing the boats. So, the crew are criminals and engaging in a criminal enterprise., there can be no doubt about that. What do we call people who willingly take part in a criminal enterprise as these alleged asylum seekers are doing? If as you say, these alleged asylum seekers are doing nothing illegal, then why arent you calling for the crews on these boats to also be granted protection from prosecution and to be granted residency?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140118 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #109 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:35pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:28pm: ... there is no votes in being soft on crime Agreed. I don't advocate "being soft on crime".
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #110 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:37pm Seems the opposite to me, you are arguing that criminals should not be prosecuted.
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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #111 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:40pm

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:27pm:

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

What about the crew on these boats, whats your opinion on their status.

GP, you didnt answer my question. are you scared?

If they ask for asylum, they are legal asylum seekers.

If they don't, then they are not asylum seekers.

Nothing to be scared of Ian.

Incorrect. The crew on these boats are not classed as asylum seekers but criminals and are prosecuted to the full extent of Australian law. They currently get about 5 years in prison for crewing the boats. So, the crew are criminals and engaging in a criminal enterprise., there can be no doubt about that. What do we call people who willingly take part in a criminal enterprise as these alleged asylum seekers are doing? If as you say, these alleged asylum seekers are doing nothing illegal, then why arent you calling for the crews on these boats to also be granted protection from prosecution and to be granted residency?

You need to read my posts more carefully.

I didn't say they were definitely asylum seekers.

I said:

"If they ask for asylum, they are legal asylum seekers.

"If they don't, then they are not asylum seekers."

If they are not seeking asylum, and they are people smuggling, then they are indeed criminals.

People smuggling is a crime. Seeking asylum is not.

Nothing to be scared of Ian.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140118 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #112 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:43pm ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:37pm: Seems the opposite to me, you are arguing that criminals should not be prosecuted. That's a complete lie. I've never said any such thing, in any thread, ever. Don't resort to lies Ian. Let's just stick to the facts. OK.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #113 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:44pm The building is on fire and rather than address the fire, greg would rather discuss whether its correctly termed an apartment or a house.....
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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #114 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:48pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:24pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 11:57am:

Big Dave wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:33am:

Isn't funny how deep down you do-gooders on here want Australia to be the salvation of the world. You won't say it but you all believe that if they make it here you can stay. COME ON EVERYBODY. COME TO GOOD OLD AUS AND WE CAN SING AND DANCE AND WIGGLE IN THE SAND WITH NO CLOTHES ON, WEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Exactly. Only Mr Abbott can stop the boats.

Well Labor can't. No they can but they won't.

Dead right, Gillard could have stopped the boats years ago, but has chosen instead to attack Abbott in a vain attempt to score some political points at the expense of the illegal immigrants themselves.

Would that be by "Simply Picking up the Phone to Naru" teaspoon?

Well we have & its done bugger all

Oh we haven't towed any boats back?
I'll bet you $50 right now that by 2016 if Abbott's PM the sum total of returned boats is ZERO.
Did you listen to the Indonesian ambassador the other day or was that filtered out of your news prism of 2GB & the Tele?
Here's a link, bit hard to tow back when Indo doesn't recognize them, sure they'll take the boats & crew but what about the reffo's? The whole smacking purpose of the expensive & dangerous exercise?

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

Quote:

THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

Or is it TPV's we need to introduce teaspoon?
I've shown you numerous times before their introduction only changed asylum seekers from men to Women & children complete with figures & graphs from the ABS, are you stupid or have dementia?

Don't bother I already know.

The Coalition has never and will never tow any smugglers boats into an Indonesian port.
But towing them to just outside the 20 km line between what is Indonesian waters and International waters is where the boats was released before, and will be released again.
And of course the smugglers boats will have enough fuel on board to make a 20 km journey north, but no further.
And Indonesian permission is not required to do this whatsoever.
What are they going to do, fuel them up and send them back?

that sounds like a plan, and send up a few navy mine layers Wink

Why, modern mines aren't effective against wooden hulls.
And Abbott does not need to start a war with Indonesia to stop smugglers.

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #115 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:53pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

The building is on fire and rather than address the fire, greg would rather discuss whether its correctly termed an apartment or a house.....

No, that's a totally inaccurate assessment.

Thank you for your valuable input though.

We're all so pleased that you came.

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Alinta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1470 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #116 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 7:56pm "And Abbott does not need to start a war with Indonesia to stop smugglers." Ditch the UN Convention and Protocol???????
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Reply #117 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 8:00pm

Several more boatloads of unwanteds turn up to Australia and instead of working out and concentrating on how we can make it harder for them to get in and how we can stop them at their departure point, you focus on the terminology asylum seeker v illegal immigrant.

Sorry my analogy is spot on.

You're adding nothing to the actual issue, which is how do we stop them?

Asylum seeker or illegal migrant - they are still fking turning up with their families wanting to be let in aren't they!

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #118 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 8:01pm The first thing Abbott should do is remove Australia from the UN Convention yes. It does nothing to benefit Australia.
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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #119 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 8:05pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

Asylum seeker or illegal migrant - they are still fking turning up with their families wanting to be let in aren't they!

Yes.

However, asylum seekers are welcome (and have a legal right to come), illegal immigrants are not (and do not have a legal right).

There is a big difference.

Calling them illegal immigrants starts off the whole debate on the wrong foot (and will lead to the wrong solutions).

Your failure to recognise that fact is quite alarming.

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