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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140152 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #165 - Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:51pm shampain socialist wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:50pm: All of your questions have been answered in previous posts. Why can't you get that?? No. You're running scared now. Which policy, implemented by the next government, will work as a "quick fix"?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140152 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #166 - Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:53pm shampain socialist wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 4:03pm: One quick fix is to vote out Labor Party from government ... And how exactly will that fix the problem? Don't run away now: answer the question.
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Reply #167 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 8:05am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

warrigal wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

Put the Imigration processing Facility on the island of Bali Indonesia, Then do the processing and bring them in legal.

The way they come in now is not illegal.

Seeking asylum on a boat without a passport or visa is not illegal.

What part of that don't you understand?

Make them legal by collecting them from Asia and taking them to Bali for imigration processing and aplications for tourist or work visas. etc

The only reason they pay to get on a boat from Asia is because they don't have access or the money to apply to the Australian Imigrantion system.

Thus doing it Legal.

Make it legal from the detension and imigration centres.

Set up Imigration offices in the major cities in Asia and provde Jobs to Australians at them.

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Reply #168 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 10:33am

warrigal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 8:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

warrigal wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

Put the Imigration processing Facility on the island of Bali Indonesia, Then do the processing and bring them in legal.

The way they come in now is not illegal.

Seeking asylum on a boat without a passport or visa is not illegal.

What part of that don't you understand?

Make them legal by collecting them from Asia and taking them to Bali for imigration processing and aplications for tourist or work visas. etc

The only reason they pay to get on a boat from Asia is because they don't have access or the money to apply to the Australian Imigrantion system.

Thus doing it Legal.

Make it legal from the detension and imigration centres.

Set up Imigration offices in the major cities in Asia and provde Jobs to Australians at them.

Seeking asylum, in a boat is legal.

You are confusing 'asylum seeking' with ordinary immigration.

Not the same thing.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #169 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:50am is people smuggling legal? Is procuring the "services" of people smugglers legal?
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Reply #170 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:54am

Grendel wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

is people smuggling legal?
Is procuring the "services" of people smugglers legal?

People smuggling is a crime.

Paying for transport on a people smuggler's boat is not a criminal offence.

And, the method of transport, and how that transport is paid for, has absolutely no bearing on one's legal right to claim asylum.

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Reply #171 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:59am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

is people smuggling legal?
Is procuring the "services" of people smugglers legal?

People smuggling is a crime.

Paying for transport on a people smuggler's boat is not a criminal offence.

And, the method of transport, and how that transport is paid for, has absolutely no bearing on one's legal right to claim asylum.

So aiding and abetting, financing a crime or financially backing a criminal enterprise isn't a crime

Grin

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Reply #172 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 12:05pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

is people smuggling legal?
Is procuring the "services" of people smugglers legal?

People smuggling is a crime.

Paying for transport on a people smuggler's boat is not a criminal offence.

And, the method of transport, and how that transport is paid for, has absolutely no bearing on one's legal right to claim asylum.

So aiding and abetting, financing a crime or financially backing a criminal enterprise isn't a crime

Grin

Can you read?

"Paying for transport on a people smuggler's boat is not a criminal offence."

If you think it is, all you have to do is show us the relative piece of Australian legislation. i.e. the Act and the particular section of that Act.

Let us know how you go.

And, just in case you missed it:

" ... the method of transport, and how that transport is paid for, has absolutely no bearing on one's legal right to claim asylum."

I hope that's cleared things up for you.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #173 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 12:31pm not much in the legal sphere are you
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Reply #174 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 12:36pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

not much in the legal sphere are you

You're making a fool of yourself now, by deliberately avoiding the question (which is all you ever do on this forum).

Which section, of which Australian Act, says that paying for transport on a people smuggler's boat is a criminal offence?

Don't run away: just answer the question, if you want to retain any credibility at all.

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Reply #175 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 1:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

warrigal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 8:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

warrigal wrote on Jun 12^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

Put the Imigration processing Facility on the island of Bali Indonesia, Then do the processing and bring them in legal.

The way they come in now is not illegal.

Seeking asylum on a boat without a passport or visa is not illegal.

What part of that don't you understand?

Make them legal by collecting them from Asia and taking them to Bali for imigration processing and aplications for tourist or work visas. etc

The only reason they pay to get on a boat from Asia is because they don't have access or the money to apply to the Australian Imigrantion system.

Thus doing it Legal.

Make it legal from the detension and imigration centres.

Set up Imigration offices in the major cities in Asia and provde Jobs to Australians at them.

Seeking asylum, in a boat is legal.

You are confusing 'asylum seeking' with ordinary immigration.

Not the same thing.

Whats the difference?

Wouldn't it be easier for them too just to report to a Australian imigration office in Jakarta and make application for asylum, rather then climb on a risky boat for the Journey, then Australia picks them up and asks are you claiming assylum.

There on boats because there is no access to legal immigration on their arrival to the Asian counties they commute though.

Put the imigration offices in Indonesia.

Simple solution, then every one is legal and there are no Boats being picked up by the Australian navy.

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Reply #176 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:05pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 4:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

We have no responsibility to these people whatsoever. They’re invaders. This means they are legally enemy combatants and prisoners of war.

The Geneva Convention says we can do what we like with these people.

I vote that we do what the Iraqi police force is doing with suspects and kill them by drilling holes in their heads.

Need a smacking big drill for your thick skull Grin

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96917	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #177 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:29pm Grendel wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:50am: is people smuggling legal? Is procuring the "services" of people smugglers legal? Good question, Grendel. Are there any travel agents who can answer this one?
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Reply #178 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:44pm

warrigal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

Whats the difference?

"An Immigrant is an individual who leaves one’s country to settle in another, whereas refugees are defined as persons, who move out of one’s country due to restriction or danger to their lives."

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Immigrant_vs_Refugee

"People often assume there is no difference between immigrants and refugees, but the difference is important for economic, social and legal reasons."

http://www.iptv.org/iowapathways/mypath.cfm?ounid=ob_000203

warrigal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

Simple solution, then every one is legal and there are no Boats being picked up by the Australian navy.

Every one is legal now.

Seeking asylum, on a boat, with no passport or visa, is perfectly legal.

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Reply #179 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:52pm

Interesting article in The Australian today about the publics view on boat ppl.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/doctors-police-warn-prime-minister-julia-gillard-of-asylum-time-bomb/story-e6frg6n6-1226662780447

Knuckles do you understand why the very vast majority of fair thinking aussies hate the boat ppl??

Do you have a clue??

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