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Reply #180 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:52pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:29pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

is people smuggling legal?
Is procuring the "services" of people smugglers legal?

Good question, Grendel. Are there any travel agents who can answer this one?

I don't care so much for these boats as I do for asylum seekers who travel with Virgin. They simply have no class.

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Reply #181 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:54pm

Socrates wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 4:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 10^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

We have no responsibility to these people whatsoever. They’re invaders. This means they are legally enemy combatants and prisoners of war.

The Geneva Convention says we can do what we like with these people.

I vote that we do what the Iraqi police force is doing with suspects and kill them by drilling holes in their heads.

Need a smacking big drill for your thick skull Grin

Excuse me, we're talking about tinted third worlders here, not white Australians.

Kindly keep your abuse to yourself. I don't find it at all humourous.

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woof woof Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1518 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #182 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:55pm you can bang on all you want but it wont change the fact most everyone hates boat ppl. its why labor is trending at 30% and come next poll I bet they go under 30%
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Reply #183 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:55pm

woof woof wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:

Interesting article in The Australian today about the publics view on boat ppl.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/doctors-police-warn-prime-minister-julia-gillard-of-asylum-time-bomb/story-e6frg6n6-1226662780447

Knuckles do you understand why the very vast majority of fair thinking aussies hate the boat ppl??

Do you have a clue??

I do, Woof Woof. It's because they're backward third worlders, and coloured.

No one had any problem with Matty's return.

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Reply #184 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:57pm

Isn't that what the assylum seekers are doing, they don't plan to go back to their country, therefore they are imigrants.

Why would they.

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Every one is legal now.

Seeking asylum, on a boat, with no passport or visa, is perfectly legal.

I am pretty shaw if you have no passport and visa they are illegal,

but the point is they could be legal, coming via Jakata Imigration office.

Take the proffessors hat off Greg and talk to the forum normally.

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If you can create a big enough lie about someone IGNORANT people will bellieve it.

The bigger the Arshole you are on this forum, the more right you have to stay.

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Reply #185 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:57pm

woof woof wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:

Interesting article in The Australian today about the publics view on boat ppl.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/doctors-police-warn-prime-minister-julia-gillard-of-asylum-time-bomb/story-e6frg6n6-1226662780447

Knuckles do you understand why the very vast majority of fair thinking aussies hate the boat ppl??

Do you have a clue??

Do you understand that I have repeatedly said that I wish the boats would stop immediately?

Do you have a clue?

Do you also understand that hating someone doesn't change the law?

You can hate them all you like, however, seeking asylum in a boat, without a passport or visa is perfectly legal.

You need to understand the facts, and stop being so emotive.

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woof woof Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1518 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #186 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 3:02pm so knuckles how many should we take, you don't seem to mind them turning up???? you defend them till your blue in the face which tells me you support what they do?
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Reply #187 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 3:02pm

warrigal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:57pm:

I am pretty shaw if you have no passport and visa there are illegal,

I am 100% certain that you are wrong: it is not illegal to seek asylum, in a boat, without a passport or visa.

There is no such thing as an illegal asylum seeker. Never has been in any country ever, and never will be.

You just don't seem to understand exactly what an asylum seeker is.

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Reply #188 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 3:04pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 2:29pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

is people smuggling legal?
Is procuring the "services" of people smugglers legal?

Good question, Grendel. Are there any travel agents who can answer this one?

I don't care so much for these boats as I do for asylum seekers who travel with Virgin. They simply have no class.

That's true, Alevine. Lynn, for example, always flies Qantas - when she's not travelling via ocean liner.

I don't know what she does now that they do this awful sharing arrangement with Emirates. Fancy a lady like Lynn being dropped off in Dubai. How could she even find a reliable porter amongst all that chaos?

No, it simply won't do. Lynn will need someone to meet her at the airport. A decent travel agent should be able to get her past all those towel-headed touts and pickpockets and into a rickshaw.

Lynn is most loyal. It's one of her finer qualities.

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Reply #189 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 3:05pm

woof woof wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 3:02pm:

so knuckles how many should we take, you don't seem to mind them turning up???? you defend them till your blue in the face which tells me you support what they do?

Do you have some sort of reading problem?

This is what I just said:

"Do you understand that I have repeatedly said that I wish the boats would stop immediately?"

From that sentence, you get "you don't seem to mind them turning up".

Seriously? Is English not your first language?

Read it one more time, so it sinks in:

"I wish the boats would stop immediately!"

It's like talking to a brick wall with some of you people Roll Eyes

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96917	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #190 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 3:06pm woof woof wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 3:02pm: so knuckles how many should we take, you don't seem to mind them turning up???? you defend them till your blue in the face which tells me you support what they do? I blame the leftards, Woof Woof. Fancy defending these people.
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Reply #191 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 4:54pm

If these people didn't want us invading their countries they should have put up more of a fight.
Crikey..you didn't see a mass exodus of reffos leaving Germany after the second world war
How about Eastern Europe..no asylum seekers sought our help as the Russians swept through
How about the Vietnamese..zero reffos after we invaded them Cheesy

Crikey the leftards are delusional Cheesy

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Reply #192 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 6:41pm

Esmail is a 22yo Iranian man. His family of four is considered middle class. His father, who works as an engineer for an Iranian oil company, decided to move his family to Australia but first Esmail had to get there using the services of an Indonesian people smuggler. This is how Esmail did it.

Esmail’s father had located a phone number in Kabul, Afghanistan. He was told to transfer $US10,000 to an Indonesian bank account and, once received, Esmail was to go by bus to Kabul where he would be met by a Pakistani man who would arrange for his passport and ID.

The cost of the ID would be $US3,000 and Esmail would need another $US4,000 for air fares and $US500 for his own expenses. He must take only a minimum of belongings.
All was arranged.

Esmail was met at the Kabul bus terminal and was taken by car with four other men to Jalalabad, close to the Pakistan border.

There, in a dirty office and along with the other men, Esmail was photographed, given a different birthdate (he didn’t understand why until later, but for now he would be 19). His new ID details were sent to Peshawar in Pakistan.

Esmail was then told that he must wait in Jalalabad until his passport was processed.

Ten days later the Pakistani man bundled Esmail and 14 other men of different nationalities into a van and drove over the border to Islamabad in Pakistan where Esmail gave the Pakistani $US4,000 for his airfare.

All the men were left at a staging point while the Pakistani man went to purchase the airfares. Soon the men were being driven to Islamabad airport and they were talking excitedly about the boat trip.

At the airport they were all given their new passports and air tickets and were told they would be landing in Bangkok, Thailand, where they would wait two hours in a transit lounge before flying to Jakarta where they would be met by an Indonesian man. All went as planned.

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Reply #193 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 6:42pm

The first thing the Indonesian man did was collect all the passports. They were told they would be leaving without any ID. (Esmail understood the passports were sent back to the Pakistani forgers for reprocessing using different photographs.)

No-one complained as they were now completely at the mercy of the smugglers.

From Jakarta they were driven south for around four hours to a small coastal town and parked at another staging point where they were told some of them would be leaving the next day. Esmail was one of those who departed in the morning.

The sea trip was uneventful. The cramped boat stank of fumes and the toilets became blocked after a few hours. Fifty or more people, mostly men, took turns at cooking rice and bits of chicken soaked in salty water, much of which finished up overboard as half the occupants were seasick.

Esmail lost count of the days but the boat was soon being escorted to Christmas Island where he was interviewed for two hours and sent to a detention area.

A week later he was flown to Darwin where he was again interviewed, issued with a bridging visa, and flown to Melbourne.

Esmail is now on the Gold Coast, Queensland, sharing a flat with four bridging visa holders. None of the other four works. He now has permanent residency and is studying English at school. He does not wish to work and intends to go to Griffith University next year.

He says he has no interest in Islam but attends a local mosque (only to improve his English he explains). He has applied to have his family accepted under a family reunion provision but believes this may take years, if at all.

Now, I can’t say everything Esmail told me is true but one thing is certain, the level of sophistication in people smuggling has grown exponentially since Rudd dismantled our borders.

The route that Esmail took is just one of the many well-oiled ways for an illegal immigrant to get to Australia.

The pre-Abbott rush with the inevitable loss of life is set to continue and, interestingly, it appears that these passports are not chucked overboard as we have been told, but are returned to Pakistan for recycling.

I wonder if our insulated Canberra politicians understand what is really happening out there.

http://pickeringpost.com/article/one-mans-boat-trip-to-oz/1483

So basically they recycle the passports

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #194 - Jun 13^th, 2013 at 7:09pm Of course its all a scam, only a brain dead lefty would think otherwise.
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