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The Heartless Felon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2869 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #210 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:46pm A peccary is a medium-sized mammal of the family Tayassuidae, or New World pigs. Peccaries are members of the artiodactyl suborder Suina, as are the pig family and possibly the hippopotamus family - Wikipedia Well, waddya know, I thought it was just a lawyer manqué...
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Reply #211 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:48pm

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

A peccary is a medium-sized mammal of the family Tayassuidae, or New World pigs. Peccaries are members of the artiodactyl suborder Suina, as are the pig family and possibly the hippopotamus family - Wikipedia

Well, waddya know, I thought it was just a lawyer manqué...

Well there you go: you've learned something today.

Good on you. Wink

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Reply #212 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 7:45pm

Despite all the rhetoric and the opinion - can anyone oblige by pointing out the Howard 'solution'?

And how many boats it stopped and, possibly, how many potential deaths it averted?

And:

Why we haven't re-enacted similar policy already?

What has this reversal of an effective previous policy already cost - and what will it continue to cost?

What will it cost to fix the current problem as opposed to the cost of modifying the already existing Howard solution?

Why exacerbate our existing social services problems by adding to them?

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Reply #213 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 7:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

A peccary is a medium-sized mammal of the family Tayassuidae, or New World pigs. Peccaries are members of the artiodactyl suborder Suina, as are the pig family and possibly the hippopotamus family - Wikipedia

Well, waddya know, I thought it was just a lawyer manqué...

Well there you go: you've learned something today.

Good on you. Wink

Just goes to show how dangerous an assumption can become!

I'd always assumed that the greggerypeccary was a pun upon the impeccable Gregory Peck! Cool

A peccary, on the other hand, is merely Bacon when broken down.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140118 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #214 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 7:55pm
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140118 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #215 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 7:57pm http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_L...
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Reply #216 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 7:58pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

A peccary is a medium-sized mammal of the family Tayassuidae, or New World pigs. Peccaries are members of the artiodactyl suborder Suina, as are the pig family and possibly the hippopotamus family - Wikipedia

Well, waddya know, I thought it was just a lawyer manqué...

Well there you go: you've learned something today.

Good on you. Wink

Just goes to show how dangerous an assumption can become!

I'd always assumed that the greggerypeccary was a pun upon the impeccable Gregory Peck! Cool

A peccary, on the other hand, is merely Bacon when broken down.

I can't take credit for the name.

I'm a huge Zappa fan:

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Alinta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1470 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #217 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm When I joined the forum I thought there must have been some correlation between a pig and your avatar (at the time Ron somebody....a US TV person from memory)..
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140118 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #218 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:37pm Alinta wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm: When I joined the forum I thought there must have been some correlation between a pig and your avatar (at the time Ron somebody....a US TV person from memory).. Ah, Ron Swanson:)
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Reply #219 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 9:51pm:

ian wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 9:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

Paying for transport on a people smuggler's boat is not a criminal offence.

And, the method of transport, and how that transport is paid for, has absolutely no bearing on one's legal right to claim asylum.

Rubbish. Any non citizen entering australian territory without a vaid visa is committing a crime. The law is quite clear on that and it is not an argument. You are getting confused between UN protocols which require us to submit to asylum seeker requests and Australian law. You really dont understand this at all.

I suggest you read my post again. You've just made a fool of yourself (again).

This is 100% correct:

"Paying for transport on a people smuggler's boat is not a criminal offence.

"And, the method of transport, and how that transport is paid for, has absolutely no bearing on one's legal right to claim asylum."

The word "visa" isn't even mentioned in my post.

You are still not understanding. I could care less about whether you mention the word "visa" in your post and the method of transport is irrelevant. You are just putting up strawmen constantly in an effort to obsfucate. Your logic is faulty. Regardless of whether or not it is legal to claim asylum an offence is still comitted by anyone who enters Australian territory without a valid visa. Thats the law and no amount of diversion or projection of your own comprehension inadequecies will change this. The asylum seekers are illegal immigrants. I cant dumb it down any more for you.

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Reply #220 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

A peccary is a medium-sized mammal of the family Tayassuidae, or New World pigs. Peccaries are members of the artiodactyl suborder Suina, as are the pig family and possibly the hippopotamus family - Wikipedia

Well, waddya know, I thought it was just a lawyer manqué...

Well there you go: you've learned something today.

Good on you. Wink

Hes one up on you then mate.

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Reply #221 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 11:14pm

ian wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

The asylum seekers are illegal immigrants. I cant dumb it down any more for you.

You can't get any dumber, is what I think you mean.

It has become quite clear now that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

You're embarrassing yourself. Stop. It's painful to watch.

Lesson number 1, my dear boy: Asylum seekers are not "immigrants". An immigrant is someone who has been given approval to live in a foreign country. Asylum seekers are yet to have their claims assessed (thus they have no approval), so it's absolutely impossible for them to be immigrants. Thus, it is also impossible for them to be "illegal immigrants".

Lesson number 2, my dear boy: seeking asylum is not illegal.

I suggest you join another sort of forum. Maybe a macrame forum, or a forum that deals with Star Wars figurines. Something you're more suited to.

You have absolutely no idea about the complexities of immigration and humanitarian issues, so your time here is just wasted.

Have a good night, and good luck in your next venture.

Cheers Wink

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Reply #222 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 11:22pm

Incorrect.

im·mi·grant
/ˈimigrənt/
Noun
A person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.
An animal or plant living or growing in a region to which it has migrated.
http://www.google.com.au/#rlz=1C2GGLS_en-USAU307&q=definition+of+immigrant vwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47883778,d.aGc&fp=ea31918983609b11&biw=1280&bih=
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Asylum seekers are illegal immigrants. They are people who wish to live in australia who come here illegally.
There can be no other definition. The myth that they are not illegal immigrants is perpetuated by soy latte sipping testosterone challenged bleeding hearts like your self. I wish I could say you have learnt something but experience shows me you appear to lack that capacity.

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Reply #223 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 11:23pm

ian wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

The asylum seekers are illegal immigrants.

One day you will learn (I hope).

"Asylum seekers irrespective of their mode of arrival, like others that arrive in Australia without a valid visa, are classified by Australian law to be ‘unlawful non-citizens’. However, the term ‘unlawful’ does not mean that asylum seekers have committed a criminal offence. There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa."

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_L...

Your ignorance is letting you down my friend.

My suggestion to you is as follows:

- stop listening to talk-back radio
- join your local library
- read some books from that library (any books)
- don't watch 60 Minutes, ACA, or Channel 7 "News" on TV
- don't watch TV
- join another forum and learn how to debate
- if you learn something from that other forum, come back here and try me again (if you feel up to it)
- have a good night

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Reply #224 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 11:29pm

Just made yourself out to be even more foolish. You just quoted an opinion piece, not actual fact. Australian law does not support her "theory" in this case. Its quite clear., asylum seekers committ an offence simply by coming here. Seeking asylum does not negate thier criminal activity. Neither does the fact they are not prosecuted as they should be. It is illegal to attempt to migrate to this country without a visa. Not sure why you keep babbling on about "boats" since that is irrelevant. You really are a nincompoop.

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