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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #75 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

what, 40,000 of them can't make applications?

Correct. You don't seem to have any idea of what goes on around the world.

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

... if you don't have papers, you can't come here. Simple.

That's quite simply incorrect.

whilst you are technically correct gregory, the australian people live in a democracy and they will respond to technocrats, such as yourself, come september 14. so, those who agree with you, will have the benefit of being 'technically correct' as they are evicted forcefully from power. hollow "technical' victory old chap. western sydney and the other over run suburbs are waiting to deal with your 'technicalities" in the polling booth Wink

It won't change when the Libs get in.

Asylum seekers will still be able to seek asylum in Australia without a passport or visa.

Not sure why you thought otherwise Undecided

You're assuming Mr Abbott won't take Australia out of the UN.

Yes.

Funny that.

UN pffft, couldnt even design a nice christmas card, little blue helmets and white tanks. i am quaking in my boots.

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #76 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:55pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

what, 40,000 of them can't make applications?

Correct. You don't seem to have any idea of what goes on around the world.

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

... if you don't have papers, you can't come here. Simple.

That's quite simply incorrect.

whilst you are technically correct gregory, the australian people live in a democracy and they will respond to technocrats, such as yourself, come september 14. so, those who agree with you, will have the benefit of being 'technically correct' as they are evicted forcefully from power. hollow "technical' victory old chap. western sydney and the other over run suburbs are waiting to deal with your 'technicalities" in the polling booth Wink

It won't change when the Libs get in.

Asylum seekers will still be able to seek asylum in Australia without a passport or visa.

Not sure why you thought otherwise Undecided

You're assuming Mr Abbott won't take Australia out of the UN.

Yes.

Funny that.

Or that he won't invade Indonesia. Typical.

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #77 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

what, 40,000 of them can't make applications?

Correct. You don't seem to have any idea of what goes on around the world.

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

... if you don't have papers, you can't come here. Simple.

That's quite simply incorrect.

How would you know whether it is correct?

I've read the 1951 UN Refugees Convention and the Australian Migration Act 1958.

Out of date when Mr Abbott gets in. He'll tear them up.

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #78 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

what, 40,000 of them can't make applications?

Correct. You don't seem to have any idea of what goes on around the world.

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

... if you don't have papers, you can't come here. Simple.

That's quite simply incorrect.

How would you know whether it is correct?

I've read the 1951 UN Refugees Convention and the Australian Migration Act 1958.

... so then you'll be in a position, of course, from your academic reading, to tell us how many people have actually applied for asylum in their originating countries?

What, if anything, is this blinkered middle-class government actually doing in these countries to make its immigration processes available to people who are seeking asylum? Are they actually at the coal-face, or sitting in air-conditioned offices?

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #79 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:53pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

oh greggy, you are wrong on this one.
temporary protection visas old chap

No.

Everything I've said in this thread is 100% correct.

Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary though, if you think you can.

You'll excuse me for not holding my breath while waiting though.

Arrogant socialist bureaucrat by the sound of it.

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #80 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

Doesn't matter. They should have papers. Otherwise it's illegal.

Incorrect.

If they are claiming asylum, it's not illegal.

It must be illegal to cram too many people on unseaworthy vessels.

You could be correct. Seems quite unsafe to me.

However, that doesn't make the people on the boats "illegal immigrants": they remain legal asylum seekers.

People have a legal right to claim asylum no matter what their method of transport is, how they paid for it, how much money they have (or don't have), how much documentation they have (or don't have), or how many criminal convictions they have.

They may not ultimately be granted refugee status, however, they can still legally make a claim for asylum and have that claim assessed.

What about the crew on these boats, whats your opinion on their status.

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #81 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:23pm

Don't they and people-smugglers get Australian citizenship? If not an Order of Australia.

I wonder who they vote for. No gongs for guessing correctly.

Get a bit of spine and tell these tin-pot governments to lay off people (if that is actually the issue), or we cut foreign aid... as well as take them to the international human rights agencies. And keep on their backs. Do it.

Start with the Australian High Commission in Colombo.
Google it, it's right there.

So, we have an expensive embassy in Sri Lanka, and apparently thousands of people *don't* go there, and get on boats instead.
What are the key performances indicators for Australian Embassies??

Better still, set up an Australian Institute of Skills Training in these places and train local people up for jobs here that there aren't enough people to fill, and give them priority to immigrate to Australia... with something to contribute.

And it can be paid for by tripling company tax for Australian companies who offshore Australian jobs, at greatly increased profit due to slave wages in other countries but continue to sell their products in Australia at premium price, while the country loses income tax and at the same time has to pay for welfare benefits for those who have lost their jobs.

This is the sort of thing a true Labor Government should be doing. Not a dink government.

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #82 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:30pm

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

Don't they and people-smugglers get Australian citizenship? If not an Order of Australia.

I wonder who they vote for. No gongs for guessing correctly.

Get a bit of spine and tell these tin-pot governments to lay off people (if that is actually the issue), or we cut foreign aid... as well as take them to the international human rights agencies. And keep on their backs. Do it.

Start with the Australian High Commission in Colombo.

We have. The Sri Lankan government have done their best and made it a crime to leave Sri Lanka without an exit visa.

Thus, when Sri Lankans are returned to Sri Lanka they go to jail. And many of them are illegally tortured in jail.

So by making it a crime to leave Sri Lanka and come to Australia without a visa, the Sri Lankan government have created their own reason for Sri Lankans to legitimately claim asylum: if Sri Lankan people are returned, they will be jailed and, in many instances, tortured.

What to do?

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #83 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:33pm

The Australian Embassy officials could actually start thinking outside the square and go and see people who claim they need to apply for asylum. It involves leaving the office.
Australia needs to get pro-active about this issue and address the problem at its source, not on the oceans.
It is making the Australian government look like dim wits. And if the government can't see that, they maybe they are.

Sometimes you just have to put the boot in when it comes to intransigent governments. It gets you more respect as well. We are not a tin-pot country, and the government needs to stop behaving like it is one.

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Reply #84 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:38pm

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

The Australian Embassy officials could actually start thinking outside the square and go and see people who claim they need to apply for asylum.
Australia needs to get pro-active about this issue and address the problem at its source, not on the oceans.
It is making the Australian government look like dim wits. And if the government can't see that, they maybe they are.

The only reason that the current Australian government looks like dimwits is because they are dimwits being lead by the biggest dimwit in their party and her 2IC is almost as much of a dimwit as her (if not more).

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Reply #85 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:40pm

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

what, 40,000 of them can't make applications?

Correct. You don't seem to have any idea of what goes on around the world.

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

... if you don't have papers, you can't come here. Simple.

That's quite simply incorrect.

How would you know whether it is correct?

I've read the 1951 UN Refugees Convention and the Australian Migration Act 1958.

... so then you'll be in a position, of course, from your academic reading, to tell us how many people have actually applied for asylum in their originating countries?

Please read this, and some other material on the subject, before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

"According to the definition in the UN Refugee Convention, refugees are persons who are outside their country of origin. This means that you cannot apply for refugee status if you are inside your own country. In order to be recognised as a refugee, you must leave your country and apply for refugee status onshore in another country. A person experiencing persecution who wished to seek protection in Australia could not, for example, apply for refugee status through the UNHCR office or the Australian consulate or embassy in their own country. They would have to travel to Australia and seek protection after arriving here."

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/f/myth-long.php#channels

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shampain socialist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1004	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #86 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:42pm Like I said, you are an arrogant fabian socialist, with a typical rudeness to people who don't agree with your particular view of politics. Australia needs less people with your globalist attitude, and more who give Australia and Australians priority.
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Reply #87 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:45pm

Gregorypeckerhead is just going down the lawyers route ... ie. thats a technicality so up yer arse I win ( nothing to do with right or wrong ) , just like if someone ever commited a criminal act against him or someone near and dear to him and some smart front bottom lawyer came along and got them off on a technicality he'd be fine with that too ... yeah right Grin

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Reply #88 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:46pm

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

The Australian Embassy officials could actually start thinking outside the square and go and see people who claim they need to apply for asylum. It involves leaving the office.
Australia needs to get pro-active about this issue and address the problem at its source, not on the oceans.

"Applying for protection onshore is not a means of bypassing the “proper channel” of applying for protection. In fact, applying onshore is the standard procedure for seeking protection. According to the definition in the UN Refugee Convention, refugees are persons who are outside their country of origin. This means that you cannot apply for refugee status if you are inside your own country. In order to be recognised as a refugee, you must leave your country and apply for refugee status onshore in another country. A person experiencing persecution who wished to seek protection in Australia could not, for example, apply for refugee status through the UNHCR office or the Australian consulate or embassy in their own country. They would have to travel to Australia and seek protection after arriving here."

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/f/myth-long.php#channels

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shampain socialist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1004	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #89 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:47pm then make an application to immigrate to Australia, dick. Think outside the square.
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