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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #90 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:49pm Another boats gone down Geggery. Are you starting to think all of us rednecks that have been banging on about this for a long time are right.
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Reply #91 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

what, 40,000 of them can't make applications?

Correct. You don't seem to have any idea of what goes on around the world.

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

... if you don't have papers, you can't come here. Simple.

That's quite simply incorrect.

How would you know whether it is correct?

I've read the 1951 UN Refugees Convention and the Australian Migration Act 1958.

... so then you'll be in a position, of course, from your academic reading, to tell us how many people have actually applied for asylum in their originating countries?

Please read this, and some other material on the subject, before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

"According to the definition in the UN Refugee Convention, refugees are persons who are outside their country of origin. This means that you cannot apply for refugee status if you are inside your own country. In order to be recognised as a refugee, you must leave your country and apply for refugee status onshore in another country. A person experiencing persecution who wished to seek protection in Australia could not, for example, apply for refugee status through the UNHCR office or the Australian consulate or embassy in their own country. They would have to travel to Australia and seek protection after arriving here."

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/f/myth-long.php#channels

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Quite wrong in one section. Whilst it is true that one cannot apply for refugee status in his own country (asylum is a different story), you do not need to travel to Australia to claim refugee status. If from Burma, for example, one could apply for refugee status in Thailand. There would be no requirement for a person seeking refugee status to travel to Australia.

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Reply #92 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:52pm

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:47pm:

then make an application to immigrate to Australia, dick.

"A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war, or violence. A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. Most likely, they cannot return home or are afraid to do so. War and ethnic, tribal and religious violence are leading causes of refugees fleeing their countries."

http://www.unrefugees.org/site/c.lfIQKSOwFqG/b.4950731/

Please read the information at this link:

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Immigrant_vs_Refugee

I'm not presenting my "opinion", as you say: I'm merely giving you the facts. I'm actually trying to help you understand.

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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #93 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:52pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 11:57am:

Big Dave wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:33am:

Isn't funny how deep down you do-gooders on here want Australia to be the salvation of the world. You won't say it but you all believe that if they make it here you can stay. COME ON EVERYBODY. COME TO GOOD OLD AUS AND WE CAN SING AND DANCE AND WIGGLE IN THE SAND WITH NO CLOTHES ON, WEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Exactly. Only Mr Abbott can stop the boats.

Well Labor can't. No they can but they won't.

Dead right, Gillard could have stopped the boats years ago, but has chosen instead to attack Abbott in a vain attempt to score some political points at the expense of the illegal immigrants themselves.

Would that be by "Simply Picking up the Phone to Naru" teaspoon?

Well we have & its done bugger all

Oh we haven't towed any boats back?
I'll bet you $50 right now that by 2016 if Abbott's PM the sum total of returned boats is ZERO.
Did you listen to the Indonesian ambassador the other day or was that filtered out of your news prism of 2GB & the Tele?
Here's a link, bit hard to tow back when Indo doesn't recognize them, sure they'll take the boats & crew but what about the reffo's? The whole smacking purpose of the expensive & dangerous exercise?

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-b...

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THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

Or is it TPV's we need to introduce teaspoon?
I've shown you numerous times before their introduction only changed asylum seekers from men to Women & children complete with figures & graphs from the ABS, are you stupid or have dementia?

Don't bother I already know.

The Coalition has never and will never tow any smugglers boats into an Indonesian port.
But towing them to just outside the 20 km line between what is Indonesian waters and International waters is where the boats was released before, and will be released again.
And of course the smugglers boats will have enough fuel on board to make a 20 km journey north, but no further.
And Indonesian permission is not required to do this whatsoever.
What are they going to do, fuel them up and send them back?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140118 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #94 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:55pm .
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Reply #95 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:03pm

I don't need your arrogant patronisation. You are missing the point entirely.
How many people has the Australian Embassy in Sri Lanka spoken to concerning immigration to Australia, as a ratio to boat departures.
It is people with your inability to think laterally that is actually stuffing this country up.
I really wish you people would emigrant somewhere to a socialist paradise where everyone works in the public service. You have a much more internationalist attitude than an Australian-focussed one.
That's the problem all over with the "Australian" Labor party. Too many lawyers, not enough people who actually can get the job done.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140118 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #96 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:03pm Big Dave wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:49pm: Another boats gone down Geggery. Are you starting to think all of us rednecks that have been banging on about this for a long time are right. Right about what, exactly?
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shampain socialist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1004	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #97 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:07pm There you are, there's the telephone number of the Australian High Commission in Sri Lanka. Ask them... you should be on the same wavelength: •+94-11- 246 3200 (general enquiries) •+94-11- 246 3270 (visas, migration and citizenship enquires)
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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #98 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:07pm I just thought you were a bit of a supporter.
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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #99 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:10pm

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:03pm:

I don't need your arrogant patronisation. You are missing the point entirely.
How many people has the Australian Embassy in Sri Lanka spoken to concerning immigration to Australia, as a ratio to boat departures.
It is people with your inability to think laterally that is actually stuffing this country up.
I really wish you people would emigrant somewhere to a socialist paradise where everyone works in the public service. You have a much more internationalist attitude than an Australian-focussed one.
That's the problem all over with the "Australian" Labor party. Too many lawyers, not enough people who actually can get the job done.

Please read this information and stop making a fool of yourself:

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Immigrant_vs_Refugee

http://www.unrefugees.org/site/c.lfIQKSOwFqG/b.4950731/

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140118 Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #100 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:13pm Big Dave wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:07pm: I just thought you were a bit of a supporter. Supporter of a policy that sees innocent people drowning? Not me.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20586 Perth Gender:	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #101 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:15pm It is tragic that these people die trying to reach Australia.....Countries like Indonesia and Malaysia should be encouraged to sign the refugee convention and let these people work and earn a living.....At the moment money and resources are being wasted to imprison cheap labour???
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Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals
Reply #102 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:24pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

what, 40,000 of them can't make applications?

Correct. You don't seem to have any idea of what goes on around the world.

shampain socialist wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

... if you don't have papers, you can't come here. Simple.

That's quite simply incorrect.

How would you know whether it is correct?

I've read the 1951 UN Refugees Convention and the Australian Migration Act 1958.

... so then you'll be in a position, of course, from your academic reading, to tell us how many people have actually applied for asylum in their originating countries?

Please read this, and some other material on the subject, before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

"According to the definition in the UN Refugee Convention, refugees are persons who are outside their country of origin. This means that you cannot apply for refugee status if you are inside your own country. In order to be recognised as a refugee, you must leave your country and apply for refugee status onshore in another country. A person experiencing persecution who wished to seek protection in Australia could not, for example, apply for refugee status through the UNHCR office or the Australian consulate or embassy in their own country. They would have to travel to Australia and seek protection after arriving here."

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/f/myth-long.php#channels

Roll Eyes

Quite wrong in one section. Whilst it is true that one cannot apply for refugee status in his own country (asylum is a different story), you do not need to travel to Australia to claim refugee status. If from Burma, for example, one could apply for refugee status in Thailand. There would be no requirement for a person seeking refugee status to travel to Australia.

Just as I thought. Greg's got nothing!

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Rescuing sinking boatfuls of illegals Reply #103 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:25pm ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:16pm: What about the crew on these boats, whats your opinion on their status. GP, you didnt answer my question. are you scared?
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Reply #104 - Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:27pm

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

ian wrote on Jun 11^th, 2013 at 4:16pm:

What about the crew on these boats, whats your opinion on their status.

GP, you didnt answer my question. are you scared?

If they ask for asylum, they are legal asylum seekers.

If they don't, then they are not asylum seekers.

Nothing to be scared of Ian.

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