polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 2:36pm:



Yes, Israel does everything and anything in self-defence, even defy the UN general Assembly.

But there is the point - in self-defence. If the Arabs had recognised Israel, like the rest of the world, and hadn't attacked it, there would be NO need for Israel to defend itself. There is no ongoing war over Alsace-Lorraine, Silesia, Schleswig-Holstein, Transylvania, South Tyrol, etc, etc.


Arabs put down their weapons and recognise Israel = peace.
Israel put down its weapons = holocaust mark 2 (or I should say holocaust mark 487). Israel is duty bound to defy the UN as long as the UN doesn't compel the Arabs to recognise Israel.

Because of the Koran-based hatred of the Jews, the Arabs cannot even begin to look at the story of the Jews from the Jews' perspective. There are no free and open Muslim association in the Arab world openly and safely agitating for the recognition of Israel - but you have plenty of Jews, in Israel and around the world, looking at the Pallos sympathetically and agitating for them without being anti Israel or anti-Jew - and then some who are actually both...
But Muslims are trapped in the command to exterminate the Jews and so to have a Jewish state in what they falsely claim to be 'Muslim lands' is a major religio-political problem and a dangerous contradiction of Koranic soothsaying.

And all the Western Jew-haters rally around the Pallos and Islam, for here is a Judenfrei ideology that predates the Nazis.

There is not one Israeli soldier in the Gaza gandalf.

We also pull out of areas of the West Bank of the Jordan too.

We didn't have to but see how we are repaid?
Rockets and threats.

I myself have had a Molotov cocktail and stones throwed at me in the West Bank.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 7:09pm:


No, you didn't - you gave evidence of private letters and sentiments pre-dating the declaration of Israel by some 20+ years. You have not given any evidence that Israel would have continued to wage war against the Arabs even if it had been recognised as of the 1948 borders.


Here's some education:

Watch Claude Lanzmann's Shoah and Tzahal.





I am with Israel. It's not perfect but it's right.

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:


How? Ben-Gurion was a mainstream zionist leader, who went on to become PM of Israel on several occassions. Then you have two other future Israeli PMs who were active members of a known terrorist organisation. One of these authorised the assassination of a Swedish diplomat who was attempting to broker a two state solution. The terrorist attack that killed the most number of innocent people in the whole history of the Isreal-Palestine conflict was committed by zionists. In 2006 Benjamin Netanyahu and other promient Israeli leaders held a ceremony to honour this atrocity that killed 91 civilians. Another future PM admitted to ethnically cleansing some 50 thousand arab residents from two cities during the 1948 war. And yet another future PM took a front seat at the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps as christian militias massacred up to 3500 Palestinian refugees. Israel's own commission into the atrocity found Ariel Sharon "personally responsible".

Fast forward to operation Cast Lead - to which Avram here is so proud of participating in (a war started because Israel broke the ceasefire that Hamas was abiding by) - we have a war of "self defense" in which Gaza's only poultry factory is bulldozed to the ground with 10s of thousands of live chickens insde, and in which Gaza's main flour mill is deliberately destroyed.

Israel is a terrorist state through and through.

shockresist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:



"Of course they were sitting on a tank, they are agrressors and go around stealing other people lands TANKS."




Quote:


The 'Palestinians' are ethnic Jordanians.

The 'Palestinians' have a homeland.

And, so do the Jewish people.

Like my family before me , I wish I could show a proud photo I have of me stood in front of the big picture of Arafat after we have captured the Gaza advancement in Cast Lead.
Unfortunately though it is not compliant with IDF to display personal photographs from this time.

But I was happy. We were making the people of South Israel safe.

Horseshit

Where do you think their rockets come from?

You think they make them in the Gaza?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:


Jews can have weapons but Muslims cant?

Are you going to give up your WMD's or are jews some type of special people who can only have WMD?

Gaddafi gave up his weapons, Saddam had no weapons, when are the jews going to give up there arsenal?