shockresist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:




"If the jews love America so much......"


The Jewish people love eretz Israel,    ....so much.




1 Kings 8:1
Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.

Psalms 48:1
Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.
2  Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

Psalms 50:1
The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
2  Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.
3  Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
4  He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.

Psalms 65:1
Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed.
2  O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.
3  Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.
4  Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

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Psalms 69:34
Let the heaven and earth praise him, the seas, and every thing that moveth therein.
35  For God will save Zion, and will build the cities of Judah: that they may dwell there, and have it in possession.
36  The seed also of his servants shall inherit it: and they that love his name shall dwell therein.

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Psalms 87:1
His foundation is in the holy mountains.
2  The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.
3  Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah.
4  I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was born there.
5  And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.

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Psalms 129:4
The LORD is righteous: he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked.
5  Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.






The state of Israel, 1948....

Isaiah 66:5
Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
6  A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7  Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8  Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9  Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10  Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
11  That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
12  For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
13  As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
14  And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.



....many, many more ref's to 'Zion' in the Bible.

Yadda wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 7:55pm:


Yadda, serious question: what are your feelings of the Palestinian christian population who have been the caretakers of christendom's most holy sites for hundreds of years - many of whom have been forced to flee because of the Israeli occupation. Are they just intruders who should get on their bike back to Jordan?

As to this slogan of yours, technically I, and most Australians are ethnically British. Should we all pack up and ship back to the UK?

My view is that I am every bit as "native" as the blackest Aboriginal - because both of us were born here. Likewise, the Palestinian population that was uprooted in 1948 was native in the sense that most of them had been born there, and could claim heritage to that land.

And what does "ethnically Jordanian" even mean? Jordan wasn't even created until 1922 - and it was an entirely artificial construct, created for British imperialist purposes. Is there even any such thing as "ethnically jordan"?? Linguistically, Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian and Palestinian arabs are basically identical. There may not even be such a thing as a "Palestinian" ethnicity - but there most certainly was such a thing as Palestinian homes, farms and property that had existed for generations before their owners were forced to abandon them to make way for the creation of the jewish state. Dismissing these owners as "ethnically Jordanian" doesn't make up for the loss these people have suffered.

So I was born in Haifa.

Should I go back to Czeska Republic?

Do you apply same rules or just from a anti Semitic views?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 9:12pm:


Pay attention to the thread Avram - ironically, thats the exact same question I posed to Yadda. For it is HE who is peddling this spurious argument about ethnically based birthright, not me.

It might surprise you that never have I proposed or even supported any notion that suggests the jewish population should up and leave the region. However I equally don't support a state that must necessarily keep its thumb on a whole section of the population in order to maintain its very existence. I support a multi-ethnic single state in which arabs and jews coexist peacefully as equals.

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:


Good question!

The two state solution is dead. A Palestinian state consisting of a patchwork of discontiguous populations across the West Bank has long since been untenable. Israel has been successful in their goal of creating "facts on the ground" to ensure this.

Unfortunately for Israel, this has created a long term dilemma: which is the near inevitability of the destruction of the Israeli state. Had a viable Palestinian state been achievable along the 1967 green line, Israel could have ended their occupation, created buffer regions between them and the Palestinians, and consolidated their state within the green line borders. Now, they are stuck with an angry occupied arab population, which still has relatively high birth rates. The long term demographic demise of the "jewish" state has been assured.

Therefore, the long term solution points to only one thing: the dismantling of the apartheid regime, and in its place the creation of a multi-ethnic single state, in which arabs and jews are equal citizens.

Gandalf I have explained to you why there is checkpoints and Israeli control in parts of West Bank.
Have you been there?
The Israeli sections keep security for the settlements and ensure there isn't attacks on Jewish people there.

The checkpoints are not too delaying most of the time.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2013 at 9:36pm:


So back to 1950, only this time they have learned to get along?