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Reply #120 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:55pm
 
Yes Yadda,  Wink



"Eretz Israel yafa
Eretz Israel porachat
At yoshva ba vetzofa
At tzofa ba vezorachat"
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Reply #121 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:56pm
 
For my non Hebrew friends

Israel is beautiful
Israel is blooming
You sit and watch
You look at her, and shine.
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Reply #122 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:57pm
 
Facts on the ground - 6.5 million Jews in Israel = Israel is a Jewish country.

Gandy - can you accept that? If not - what do you propose? As a Muslim, what do you say should happen to the Jews of Israel?


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Reply #123 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:59pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:27pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:12pm:
o I was born in Haifa.

Should I go back to Czeska Republic?

Do you apply same rules or just from a anti Semitic views?


Pay attention to the thread Avram - ironically, thats the exact same question I posed to Yadda. For it is HE who is peddling this spurious argument about ethnically based birthright, not me.

It might surprise you that never have I proposed or even supported any notion that suggests the jewish population should up and leave the region. However I equally don't support a state that must necessarily keep its thumb on a whole section of the population in order to maintain its very existence.


I support a multi-ethnic single state in which arabs and jews coexist peacefully as equals.






gandalf,

You are lying.             100 x  You are lying.

How can i know that ?



You have declared that you are a moslem.

No moslem, can accept the State of Israel, as a non-ISLAMIC entity, can be permitted to make and enforce laws, which moslems must obey.

Moslems believe only, that all non-ISLAMIC jurisdictions must be destroyed.

And that Sharia law must be imposed - everywhere.

gandalf,

If you deny that 'universal' ISLAMIC intent, then under what validity, do you claim to be a moslem ?





You are so, so, deceitful gandalf.

You are a moslem.

But i repeat myself.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #124 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:01pm
 
Gandalf - you are a Muslim?
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Reply #125 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:03pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:33pm:
Gandalf

1. We have 1m Arab Israelis
2. Arabs are allowed to vote fully in Knesset elections
3. Israel offers all residents of the disputed zones rights of representation
4. A Arab Israeli is one of most senior officers in the IDF

How is this for your multi ethnic solution?

In opposition,
Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Iran, Tunisia, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi does not even allow me to enter their country.




Sounds to me, like discrimination.

Sounds to me, like RACISM.

Sounds to me, like religious bigotry - by ISLAMISTS/moslems.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #126 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:09pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:01pm:
Gandalf - you are a Muslim?



He claims to be.

But he also claims to be a 'moderate' moslem.



But there ain't no such animal.

i.e.
What is a moslem ???

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


A follower of ISLAM.


ISLAM teaches all moslems;

"Kill those who reject ISLAM. In rejecting ISLAM they insult Allah, and they have no protector."



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #127 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:10pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:33pm:
Gandalf

1. We have 1m Arab Israelis
2. Arabs are allowed to vote fully in Knesset elections
3. Israel offers all residents of the disputed zones rights of representation
4. A Arab Israeli is one of most senior officers in the IDF

How is this for your multi ethnic solution?

In opposition,
Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Iran, Tunisia, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi does not even allow me to enter their country.




Can Malaysian muslims enter your country?

I don't blame the Arab states for not letting in Jews.You are all spies.

In January for example, a Israeli spy was caught in Lebanon.
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Reply #128 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:11pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:01pm:
Gandalf - you are a Muslim?

Grin Grin

No. He's a moderate Muslim.  Apparently there is a big difference.
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Reply #129 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:12pm
 
shockresist wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:10pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:33pm:
Gandalf

1. We have 1m Arab Israelis
2. Arabs are allowed to vote fully in Knesset elections
3. Israel offers all residents of the disputed zones rights of representation
4. A Arab Israeli is one of most senior officers in the IDF

How is this for your multi ethnic solution?

In opposition,
Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Iran, Tunisia, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi does not even allow me to enter their country.




Can Malaysian muslims enter your country?

I don't blame the Arab states for not letting in Jews.You are all spies.

In January for example, a Israeli spy was caught in Lebanon.


So what?
You don't have spies?
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Reply #130 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:14pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:59pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:27pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:12pm:
o I was born in Haifa.

Should I go back to Czeska Republic?

Do you apply same rules or just from a anti Semitic views?


Pay attention to the thread Avram - ironically, thats the exact same question I posed to Yadda. For it is HE who is peddling this spurious argument about ethnically based birthright, not me.

It might surprise you that never have I proposed or even supported any notion that suggests the jewish population should up and leave the region. However I equally don't support a state that must necessarily keep its thumb on a whole section of the population in order to maintain its very existence.


I support a multi-ethnic single state in which arabs and jews coexist peacefully as equals.






gandalf,

You are lying.             100 x  You are lying.

How can i know that ?



You have declared that you are a moslem.

No moslem, can accept the State of Israel, as a non-ISLAMIC entity, can be permitted to make and enforce laws, which moslems must obey.

Moslems believe only, that all non-ISLAMIC jurisdictions must be destroyed.

And that Sharia law must be imposed - everywhere.

gandalf,

If you deny that 'universal' ISLAMIC intent, then under what validity, do you claim to be a moslem ?





You are so, so, deceitful gandalf.

You are a moslem.

But i repeat myself.



There is a movement against the State of Israel, with a prominent atheist leader Stephen Hawkings boycotting a visit to Israel.



Stephen Hawking boycotting Israel in solidarity with Palestine


Cambridge - The world's most famous scientist has announced that he will boycott an upcoming Israeli conference to show solidarity with Palestinian academics and protest Israeli's oppressive occupation of Palestine.

The BBC reports that renowned British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking is supporting the worldwide academic boycott of Israel on the "unanimous advice" of his Palestinian contacts.

According to a statement published by the British Committee for the Universities of Palestine (BRICUP):
Professor Stephen Hawking has declined his invitation to attend the Israeli Presidential Conference Facing Tomorrow 2013, due to take place in Jerusalem on 18-20 June. This is his independent decision to respect the boycott, based on his knowledge of Palestine, and on the unanimous advice of his own academic contacts there.

Hawking, 71, had originally planned to attend the conference and criticize the Israeli government in a speech, but decided not to travel to Israel. Part of the reason for this is that he is in very poor health.

Hawking joins a growing number of British personalities who have rejected invitations to visit Israel.

Former Pink Floyd front man Roger Waters is the most famous Briton to boycott Israel, accusing the Israeli government of "running an apartheid regime" and "laying waste to most of Lebanon."

The Israel apartheid analogy has been made by South African apartheid survivor and Nobel Peace laureate Desmond Tutu, as well as his fellow Nobel Peace Prize winners Jimmy Carter, the former US president, and Mairead Maguire, an Irish peace activist. Some critics go even further and accuse Israel of ethnically cleansing Palestinians by continued illegal settler colonization of the occupied West Bank.

In 2010, rocker Elvis Costello cancelled two scheduled concerts in Israel, citing the "deplorable conditions that visit intimidation, humiliation or much worse on Palestinian civilians."

Super-producer Brian Eno, singer Annie Lennox-- who described Israel's 2008-09 Gaza offensive as "pornography of destruction"-- and award-winning filmmaker Mike Leigh have also boycotted Israel.
Last year, American music legend Stevie Wonder also canceled a scheduled US fund-raising performance benefiting the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).

In the academic world, the Teachers' Union of Ireland last month became the first European lecturers' association to back a boycott of Israel, denouncing "Israeli militarism, occupation and apartheid." In the United States, the Association for Asian American Studies also voted last month to support a boycott of Israeli academic institutions "in protest of the illegal occupation of Palestine," among other crimes and human rights violations. The group is the first US-based academic association to support the boycot, divestment and sanction (BDS) movement.

The Raw Story reports that although Hawking has visited Israel four times in the past, most recently in 2006, he has since become a vocal critic of the Jewish State's policies and actions. He called the 2008-09 'Cast Lead' invasion of Gaza "plain out of proportion," adding that "the situation is like that of (apartheid) South Africa before 1990 and cannot continue."

Israel supporters reacted angrily to Hawking's decision to boycott Israel.

"The academic boycott against Israel is in our view outrageous and improper, certainly for someone for whom the spirit of liberty lies at the basis of his human and academic mission," Israel Maimon, chairman of the Israeli Presidential Conference, said in a statement.

"Rather than caving in to pressure from political extremists, active participation in such events is a far more constructive way to promote progress an
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Reply #131 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:14pm
 
Actually the Arab states pretty much created Israel (and Mossad) by forcing Jews to flee to Israel at an even greater pace than Europe did.
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Reply #132 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:16pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:12pm:
shockresist wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:10pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 9:33pm:
Gandalf

1. We have 1m Arab Israelis
2. Arabs are allowed to vote fully in Knesset elections
3. Israel offers all residents of the disputed zones rights of representation
4. A Arab Israeli is one of most senior officers in the IDF

How is this for your multi ethnic solution?

In opposition,
Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Iran, Tunisia, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi does not even allow me to enter their country.




Can Malaysian muslims enter your country?

I don't blame the Arab states for not letting in Jews.You are all spies.

In January for example, a Israeli spy was caught in Lebanon.


So what?
You don't have spies?


You have a lot of trouble answering my questions.
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Reply #133 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:19pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 8:58pm:
shockresist wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 8:26pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 8:21pm:
Horseshit

Where do you think their rockets come from?

You think they make them in the Gaza?


Jews can have weapons but Muslims cant?

Are you going to give up your WMD's or are jews some type of special people who can only have WMD?

Gaddafi gave up his weapons, Saddam had no weapons, when are the jews going to give up there arsenal?




To Israel.....

To God's people.....

Isaiah 54:17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.




In this age, the land of 'Israel', is 'a line in the sand' issue.

Those [moslems and non-moslems] who condemn Israel, today, are choosing to fight against God.

The Jewish people will be redeemed.

Their enemies will be destroyed.i

Isaiah 40:1
Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
2  Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.



To Israel....

Isaiah 54:4
Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5  For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6  For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8  In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.





Whay bible are you referring to?The one which has been changed, modified and full of mistakes?

What God would make a Book full of mistakes?

What God produces a book full of contradictions?
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Reply #134 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:27pm
 
shockresist wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

Whay bible are you referring to?The one which has been changed, modified and full of mistakes?

What God would make a Book full of mistakes?

What God produces a book full of contradictions?




Smileyi


Psalms 37:25
I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
26  He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.
27  Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.
28  For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29  The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
30  The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.
31  The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
32  The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
33  The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.
34  Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
35  I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.
36  Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.
37  Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.
38  But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
39  But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble.
40  And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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