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Reply #15 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 7:41am
 
Adamant wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 10:28pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 8:08pm:
Adamant wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 6:29pm:
I have stated this before, there is no proof that either of these two people so central to the muslim religion ever existed! That proves mo man was a liar.


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680,000 Jewish men under arms (ask Yadda the numbers maybe incorrect) left Egypt on a walkabout according to the Bible. They would have had wives, parents and children of their own. it is estimated if this fairytale took place the total number would have been 1.3 to 1.6 million people going for a stroll.The  Egyptians one of the greatest recorders of history never even mentioned the fact anywhere in any form or any place. If 1.6 million souls move house and polluted the ground for over forty years at least a bone. burial or shard of pottery would have been found,

Not one piece of evidence collaborates the existence of Moses. It is all in the Bible and nowhere else.

Facepalm Gandalf? I credited you with more sense. It appears I was in error. It will not happen again.



I guess pharaoh who is dead in a Egyptian museum with ample evidence that he drowned is also a fake.
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Reply #16 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 7:43am
 
Adamant wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 10:28pm:
Facepalm Gandalf? I credited you with more sense. It appears I was in error. It will not happen again.


The facepalm wasn't over your theory regarding the existence of Moses, it was the leap in logic that this makes Muhammad a liar.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #17 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 9:03pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2013 at 7:43am:
The facepalm wasn't over your theory regarding the existence of Moses, it was the leap in logic that this makes Muhammad a liar.


If Moses did not exist then how can the Koran be the true word of Allah?

P/S Gandalf it is not a theory of mine but of the Jews!
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Reply #18 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 10:39pm
 
how does that have anything to do with Muhammad being a liar?
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Reply #19 - Jun 20th, 2013 at 11:33pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 12th, 2013 at 11:18pm:
I see you've given up on even trying to make sense now.

Soren's impeccable logic:

Quran says something silly - islam is smacking crazy
Quran says something logical that you actually agree with - islam is smacking crazy.


Don't look at me, pal. I wasn't the crazy meshuggeh that declared his ravings to be unalterable (no less!!!) and eternal words of god. Mo had to be a complete idiot to go so far - but so far he did go. And you are as much of a crazy idiot for following him that far.

And having painted yourselves into a crazy corner, there is no way out for you. You cannot back off from the crazy claims and you cannot live as respectable citizens, upholding  such crazy claims.

You are buggered, and have been from the outset. You are backing a crazy guy and a crazy idea.
And I say this in a caring, nurturing way.



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Reply #20 - Jun 21st, 2013 at 10:32am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 11:33pm:
Don't look at me, pal. I wasn't the crazy meshuggeh that declared his ravings to be unalterable (no less!!!) and eternal words of god.


No, you're just the crazy meshuggeh who makes up fairy stories about islam and muslims - like the honour killer who started the Stockholm riots  Roll Eyes

Therefore nothing you claim about islam has any shred of credibility.
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Reply #21 - Jun 21st, 2013 at 3:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 10:32am:
Soren wrote on Jun 20th, 2013 at 11:33pm:
Don't look at me, pal. I wasn't the crazy meshuggeh that declared his ravings to be unalterable (no less!!!) and eternal words of god.


No, you're just the crazy meshuggeh who makes up fairy stories about islam and muslims - like the honour killer who started the Stockholm riots  Roll Eyes

Therefore nothing you claim about islam has any shred of credibility.



What? Isn't the Koran unalterable? Didn't Allah have it as it is, from the beginning of time in ... er.... 7th century Arabic? I know it is incredible but that's what you must uphold.
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Reply #22 - Jun 21st, 2013 at 3:55pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 3:01pm:
What? Isn't the Koran unalterable?


Soren, the statement is correct, but not the conclusions you draw from it.
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Reply #23 - Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:08pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 3:55pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 3:01pm:
What? Isn't the Koran unalterable?


Soren, the statement is correct, but not the conclusions you draw from it.



But the Koran was compiled by humans about 30 years after the death of Mohammed. It is sorted into chapter length order. Chapter length order!!!
Its content was certainly not received in the order it is presented.
Yet you have to maintain that it has been exactly like this since the beginning of time.
This is soooo obviously the fetishisation of the Book by semi-literates. But you have to go along with it. Otherwise you are questioning it which is not allowed.


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Reply #24 - Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:25pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:08pm:
Its content was certainly not received in the order it is presented.


and that proves it to be a hoax because...?

Soren wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:08pm:
Yet you have to maintain that it has been exactly like this since the beginning of time.


umm.. do we? Sorry to burst your bubble Soren, but someone seems to have led you up the garden path.
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Reply #25 - Jun 22nd, 2013 at 5:26pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:25pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:08pm:
Its content was certainly not received in the order it is presented.


and that proves it to be a hoax because...?

Soren wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:08pm:
Yet you have to maintain that it has been exactly like this since the beginning of time.


umm.. do we? Sorry to burst your bubble Soren, but someone seems to have led you up the garden path.



And yet, in all its 1400 year history, no-one ever dared to suggest that mebbe it could b organised into the order in which it was received by Mohamed.
Why is that? because it is regarded as untouchable, unchangeable  - even though very literate Muslim knows that it is a jumble.

Another contradiction. And you do not have the luxury of the Jews and Christians to say it's all to be taken symbolically, metaphorically, hermeneutically because islam is not abut what you think (doxa) but what you do (praxis). It is a completely performative religion. It's all 'don't think, do it our way' (or we'll cut you).
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Reply #26 - Jun 22nd, 2013 at 9:56pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 5:26pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:25pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:08pm:
Its content was certainly not received in the order it is presented.


and that proves it to be a hoax because...?

Soren wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:08pm:
Yet you have to maintain that it has been exactly like this since the beginning of time.


umm.. do we? Sorry to burst your bubble Soren, but someone seems to have led you up the garden path.



And yet, in all its 1400 year history, no-one ever dared to suggest that mebbe it could b organised into the order in which it was received by Mohamed.
Why is that? because it is regarded as untouchable, unchangeable  - even though very literate Muslim knows that it is a jumble.

Another contradiction. And you do not have the luxury of the Jews and Christians to say it's all to be taken symbolically, metaphorically, hermeneutically because islam is not abut what you think (doxa) but what you do (praxis). It is a completely performative religion. It's all 'don't think, do it our way' (or we'll cut you).
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The creator who created us knows what is best for his creation.

Prophet Mohamed is the seal of the prophets, no new prophet will come after him, only jesus will come back to earth where he will come back some day, get married, have children etc.


Jesus predicted the coming of Mohamed, as the bible says John 16:7

"Nevertheless, i tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that i go away, for if i go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if i depart, i will send him unto you".

The comforter was Mohamed, who is the seal of the prophets.

And in John 14:26

"And i will pray to the father, and he shall give you another comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"
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Reply #27 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 12:04am
 
shockresist wrote on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 9:56pm:
The creator who created us knows what is best for his creation.

Prophet Mohamed is the seal of the prophets, no new prophet will come after him, only jesus will come back to earth where he will come back some day, get married, have children etc.


Jesus predicted the coming of Mohamed, as the bible says John 16:7

"Nevertheless, i tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that i go away, for if i go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if i depart, i will send him unto you".

The comforter was Mohamed, who is the seal of the prophets.

And in John 14:26

"And i will pray to the father, and he shall give you another comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"



Thank you, looney. I only had a hunch about you but now I see clearly.

Carry on.

But what am I saying? You don't need me to encourage you. You don't need anybody to encourage (or discourage) you. Carry on you will.




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Reply #28 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 5:04am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 5:26pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:25pm:
Soren wrote on Jun 21st, 2013 at 4:08pm:
Its content was certainly not received in the order it is presented.


and that proves it to be a hoax because...?




And yet, in all its 1400 year history, no-one ever dared to suggest that mebbe it could b organised into the order in which it was received by Mohamed.
Why is that? because it is regarded as untouchable, unchangeable  - even though very literate Muslim knows that it is a jumble.

Another contradiction. And you do not have the luxury of the Jews and Christians to say it's all to be taken symbolically, metaphorically, hermeneutically

because islam is not abut what you think (doxa) but what you do (praxis). It is a completely performative religion. It's all 'don't think, do it our way' (or we'll cut you).
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The Specter of Muslim Disloyalty in America
http://www.meforum.org/2746/muslim-disloyalty-america
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At this point, one may justly ask: if Muslim disloyalty to non-Muslims is a ubiquitous phenomenon, why are most examples limited to the military? Simple: Islam is primarily concerned with actual deeds; and the military is one of those rare institutions that requires people to demonstrate their loyalty through action, such as, by going to the frontlines and, if need be, combating America's enemies — even if they be one's coreligionists. It is therefore only natural that Muslim loyalty/disloyalty is primarily revealed in military related scenarios, including instrumental support via food or other aid. Concerning this latter, Muhammad said, "One [Muslim] who equips a person on his way to raid [the enemy's camps] in Allah's path [jihad] is considered to have the same status as the raider [jihadist]." The willing Muslim financial enabler of the infidel American soldier thus acquires the same infidel status.

As for all other instances that require Muslims to indicate their loyalty, the doctrine of taqiyya, which revolves around deceiving non-Muslims, offers relief, and is in fact essential for Muslim minorities living in America who want to uphold the doctrine of loyalty and enmity. Indeed, the Koran's primary justification for deception is in the context of loyalty: "Let believers not take for friends and allies infidels [non-Muslims] instead of believers. Whoever does this shall have no relationship left with Allah — unless you but guard yourselves against them, taking precautions" (Koran 3:28). Tabari explains this verse: "Only when you are in their [non-Muslims'] power, fearing for yourselves, are you to demonstrate friendship for them with your tongues, while harboring hostility toward them. But do not join them in the particulars of their infidelities, and do not aid them through any action against a Muslim."

In other words, when necessary, Muslims are permitted to feign friendship and loyalty to non-Muslims, or, in the words of Abu Darda, a pious companion of Muhammad, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them." Nearly fourteen-hundred years after these faithless words were uttered, American Muslim Tarik Shah, who was arrested for terrorist-related charges, echoed them in boast: "I could be joking and smiling [with infidels] and then cutting their throats in the next second."

.....far less than .1% of America's Muslims will ever be required to enlist in the U.S. military and deploy to Muslim nations. Yet this is the only scenario that determines [i.e. that openly demonstrates to an infidel!] whether Muslim loyalties lie with fellow Muslims or with fellow, albeit infidel, citizens.









ISLAM is always a cancerous and parasitic philosophy, when it is freely allowed contact with any other political 'body'.

While its cadres are still too weak to be in openly 'hostile mode' - moslems, like cancer cells, pretend to be cells that belong to the body.

Yet every moslem in the West, is a cell of a lethal societal 'cancer'.

AS  A NON-MOSLEM, YOU NEED TO COMPREHEND - Every moslem, at every moment, is working towards, and seeking new ways to contribute to the destruction the host culture.


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Infection or cancer, cannot take hold and spread in vital, healthy flesh.
We remain healthy while our body remains vital and 'clean'.
We remain healthy while our body has the capacity to clease itself of the toxins produced by the processes that occur within a living organism.
Infection and cancer, take hold in a 'polluted' body ['polluted' usually due to overconsumption].
Infection and cancer will kill the host, when a body no longer has the capacity to clease itself of those toxins produced by the processes that occur within a living organism.






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Many, many people [we non-moslems] still cannot bring themselves to confront the TRUTH about the motives and the ultimate aims, of those, whom we have mistakenly allowed to live among us,
i.e. moslems.



Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.



"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #29 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 10:04am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 5:26pm:
And yet, in all its 1400 year history, no-one ever dared to suggest that mebbe it could b organised into the order in which it was received by Mohamed.
Why is that? because it is regarded as untouchable, unchangeable  - even though very literate Muslim knows that it is a jumble.


This might be of interest to you

The Quran and its written form (Mushaf) is not the same. It was compiled into a book a long time after it was revealed.

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Another contradiction. And you do not have the luxury of the Jews and Christians to say it's all to be taken symbolically, metaphorically, hermeneutically because islam is not abut what you think (doxa) but what you do (praxis). It is a completely performative religion. It's all 'don't think, do it our way' (or we'll cut you).


There are plenty of metaphors in the Quran - that verse you quoted earlier about the sun setting in the mud for example.

If this is your case for why it should be considered a hoax, then you disappoint.
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