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Reply #15 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:46am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Abbotts direct action is a pretence to meet a target that they want to remove ????

And they want to be taken seriously on climate control.

use ur brain (if you can find it). This is nothing more than ONE PERSONS commentary on the issue. Unlike the ALP, Liberal members are allowed to express their own opinions without rebuke.

This is why labor should go after the liberals on climate change. The liberals are all over the shop on the issue. Not one person here could definitively say what the liberals will do regarding climate change action if they win power. It ranges from spending billions to doing nothing.

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Reply #16 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:49am

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Abbotts direct action is a pretence to meet a target that they want to remove ????

And they want to be taken seriously on climate control.

use ur brain (if you can find it). This is nothing more than ONE PERSONS commentary on the issue. Unlike the ALP, Liberal members are allowed to express their own opinions without rebuke.

The opinion of the person being paid to give the opposition policy advice in this area.

You mean like Ken Henry whose tax report was comprehensively ignored by Labor?

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Reply #17 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:54am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Abbotts direct action is a pretence to meet a target that they want to remove ????

And they want to be taken seriously on climate control.

use ur brain (if you can find it). This is nothing more than ONE PERSONS commentary on the issue. Unlike the ALP, Liberal members are allowed to express their own opinions without rebuke.

This is why labor should go after the liberals on climate change. The liberals are all over the shop on the issue. Not one person here could definitively say what the liberals will do regarding climate change action if they win power. It ranges from spending billions to doing nothing.

Yep ... conservatives are a sitting target as far as their direct inaction on AGW.

If Labor were to follow the Greens approach, they could reveal PUP's anti AGW position too.

This way PUP is a bigger threat to Lib and gNats than to Labor.

Divided and conquer the conservatives by making AGW the major issue at the next election.

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Reply #18 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:56am

____ wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Abbotts direct action is a pretence to meet a target that they want to remove ????

And they want to be taken seriously on climate control.

use ur brain (if you can find it). This is nothing more than ONE PERSONS commentary on the issue. Unlike the ALP, Liberal members are allowed to express their own opinions without rebuke.

This is why labor should go after the liberals on climate change. The liberals are all over the shop on the issue. Not one person here could definitively say what the liberals will do regarding climate change action if they win power. It ranges from spending billions to doing nothing.

Yep ... conservatives are a sitting target as far as their direct inaction on AGW.

If Labor were to follow the Greens approach, they could reveal PUP's anti AGW position too.

This way PUP is a bigger threat to Lib and gNats than to Labor.

Divided and conquer the conservatives by making AGW the major issue at the next election.

Well I'd back direct action and technological development over a tax any day. Cheesy

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Reply #19 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 11:14am

Grendel wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

____ wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Abbotts direct action is a pretence to meet a target that they want to remove ????

And they want to be taken seriously on climate control.

use ur brain (if you can find it). This is nothing more than ONE PERSONS commentary on the issue. Unlike the ALP, Liberal members are allowed to express their own opinions without rebuke.

This is why labor should go after the liberals on climate change. The liberals are all over the shop on the issue. Not one person here could definitively say what the liberals will do regarding climate change action if they win power. It ranges from spending billions to doing nothing.

Yep ... conservatives are a sitting target as far as their direct inaction on AGW.

If Labor were to follow the Greens approach, they could reveal PUP's anti AGW position too.

This way PUP is a bigger threat to Lib and gNats than to Labor.

Divided and conquer the conservatives by making AGW the major issue at the next election.

Well I'd back direct action and technological development over a tax any day. Cheesy

What technical development is there in direct inaction. Tax money paid for research into advancements in mechanical tree planting for desert regions?

Because under Abbott, Australia's deserts have to be forested so to even come close to 5% reduction. And if Abbott lifts his carbon reduction target, he will have to tree forest our ocean's surfaces.

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Reply #20 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 11:23am

____ wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Abbotts direct action is a pretence to meet a target that they want to remove ????

And they want to be taken seriously on climate control.

use ur brain (if you can find it). This is nothing more than ONE PERSONS commentary on the issue. Unlike the ALP, Liberal members are allowed to express their own opinions without rebuke.

This is why labor should go after the liberals on climate change. The liberals are all over the shop on the issue. Not one person here could definitively say what the liberals will do regarding climate change action if they win power. It ranges from spending billions to doing nothing.

Yep ... conservatives are a sitting target as far as their direct inaction on AGW.

If Labor were to follow the Greens approach, they could reveal PUP's anti AGW position too.

This way PUP is a bigger threat to Lib and gNats than to Labor.

Divided and conquer the conservatives by making AGW the major issue at the next election.

What is PUP ?

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Reply #21 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 11:23am

Grendel wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

Well I'd back direct action and technological development over a tax any day.

Direct action is estimated to require a spend of about 10 X that of a carbon price to have the same impact.

Tony plans to spend 25% which means about 1/40th or the same effect. i.e. a plan to spend billions to achieve nothing. He is taking the money from out taxes - by far the biggest carbon tax is direct action.

Instead of the fixed carbon price where the polluters pay the tax we move to a system where we all pay the tax and the money is used to subsidise the polluters.

The more they pollute the more money the Liberals will give them - a huge incentive to just keep on doing what they are doing while increasing their profits out of our tax dollars.

Supported by the swinging vote of Grendel.

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Reply #22 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 11:54am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

____ wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Abbotts direct action is a pretence to meet a target that they want to remove ????

And they want to be taken seriously on climate control.

use ur brain (if you can find it). This is nothing more than ONE PERSONS commentary on the issue. Unlike the ALP, Liberal members are allowed to express their own opinions without rebuke.

This is why labor should go after the liberals on climate change. The liberals are all over the shop on the issue. Not one person here could definitively say what the liberals will do regarding climate change action if they win power. It ranges from spending billions to doing nothing.

Yep ... conservatives are a sitting target as far as their direct inaction on AGW.

If Labor were to follow the Greens approach, they could reveal PUP's anti AGW position too.

This way PUP is a bigger threat to Lib and gNats than to Labor.

Divided and conquer the conservatives by making AGW the major issue at the next election.

What is PUP ?

Palmer's unity party.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Abbott To Scrap RET? Reply #23 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:09pm "Direct inaction" as you call it Greens, is a GREENER solution to the so-called problem than a Carbon Tax. One would think the Greens... if they were Greens and not Watermelons, would back it.
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Reply #24 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:36pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

"Direct inaction" as you call it Greens, is a GREENER solution to the so-called problem than a Carbon Tax. One would think the Greens... if they were Greens and not Watermelons, would back it. Cheesy

One thing to make wild claims ... another to provide evidence.

If you would like to win me and others over to direct inaction, the floor is yours. Where is your evidence.

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Reply #25 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:57pm

Grendel wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

"Direct inaction" as you call it Greens, is a GREENER solution to the so-called problem than a Carbon Tax. One would think the Greens... if they were Greens and not Watermelons, would back it. Cheesy

What an expensive scheme underfunded that we pay for with our tax dollars which will not work is the greener solution ???

What absolute rubbish.

The only reason the Liberals are going for direct action is because Tony already supported and opposed everything else.

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Reply #26 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 1:06pm

____ wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

"Direct inaction" as you call it Greens, is a GREENER solution to the so-called problem than a Carbon Tax. One would think the Greens... if they were Greens and not Watermelons, would back it. Cheesy

One thing to make wild claims ... another to provide evidence.

If you would like to win me and others over to direct inaction, the floor is yours. Where is your evidence.

But everyone knows the Greens are watermelons.

Common sense would tell anyone (rational) that real action not a tax is the only real way to combat the so-called problem.
Have you any knowledge of what that involves.
You do know that plants use CO2 and that they have a symbiotic relationship with animals that use oxygen and breathe out CO2 right?
You do realise that Carbon isn't mystically being created out of thin air don't you and that the planet we live on is largely a closed system.

Direct action will directly impact on emissions and various forms or pollution and various negative environmental impacts.

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Reply #27 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 1:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:57pm:

Grendel wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

"Direct inaction" as you call it Greens, is a GREENER solution to the so-called problem than a Carbon Tax. One would think the Greens... if they were Greens and not Watermelons, would back it. Cheesy

What an expensive scheme underfunded that we pay for with our tax dollars which will not work is the greener solution ???

What absolute rubbish.

The only rason the Liberals are going for direct action is because Tony already supported and opposed everything else.

I don't mind debating the seemingly terminally foolish DNA.

How about putting up or shutting up.

Some facts eh. That'd be a change.

I await your enlightenment

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Reply #28 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 1:09pm

This is why "debating" on this site is completely smacking pointless.

Right wing conservative buggerheads come here, and post complete and utter bullshit. Flat out lies, mistruths, misdirections, disingenuous information and fallacies. Other people come in here and post actual proof to correct these assholes, and the assholes, who cannot post any proof of their own, refuse to admit that they are flat out wrong.

Its completely smacking pointless.

I mean, lets have a look at this post, shall we?

Grendel wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

But everyone knows the Greens are watermelons.

OH NOES SOCIALISM. Maybe this slur had a bit of a bite back in your formative years, but now that we live in this century, with our income tax system (thats socialism) and one of the worlds best health care systems (socialism), maybe you could explain why you think that socialism is bad and wrong. Of course you cant explain. You are an idiot who couldnt explain 1+1.

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Common sense would tell anyone (rational) that real action not a tax is the only real way to combat the so-called problem.

Fallacy. Appeal to authority. What makes it even better is that its an appeal to a poo authority, because common sense isnt common, and is often over ruled by what actually works. For example, You are a smacking idiot who doesnt realise that Abbotts direct action plan includes a levy (thats another word for a tax) on business. So to get your fabled non tax direct action plan working, you need a tax. buggerhead.

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Have you any knowledge of what that involves.
You do know that plants use CO2 and that they have a symbiotic relationship with animals that use oxygen and breathe out CO2 right?
You do realise that Carbon isn't mystically being created out of thin air don't you and that the planet we live on is largely a closed system.

This is all just disengenious bullshit that has no actual relation to the subject matter.

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Direct action will directly impact on emissions and various forms or pollution and various negative environmental impacts.

Vague promises with no evidence.

Sounds like coalition policy to me.

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Doctor Jolly Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3808	Re: Abbott To Scrap RET? Reply #29 - Jun 14^th, 2013 at 1:39pm I read this quote in another forum... "Come september, we will have state sanctioned climate change denialism". Meanwhile the antarctic continues to shed ice at record volumes.
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