Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print
Does A Foetus Go To Heaven? (Read 4938 times)
It_is_the_Darkness
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4000
in a ReTardis
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #15 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 5:02pm
 
When the irony Gizmo, of nations where many children are born (India, China, West Africa, Mexico, etc) =  'life' is cheap and 'toilet paper' is expensive. in the way they are treated and provided for...

...Heaven must be the rubbish dump!

Back to top
 

SUCKING ON MY TITTIES, LIKE I KNOW YOU WANT TO.
 
IP Logged
 
gizmo_2655
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #16 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 5:24pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 5:02pm:
When the irony Gizmo, of nations where many children are born (India, China, West Africa, Mexico, etc) =  'life' is cheap and 'toilet paper' is expensive. in the way they are treated and provided for...

...Heaven must be the rubbish dump!



Well, according to Christian mythos, Heaven (if it exists) is the exact opposite, many Christians believe that the more you suffer in this life, the better the next will be.
Back to top
 

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat
 
IP Logged
 
It_is_the_Darkness
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4000
in a ReTardis
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #17 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 5:35pm
 
Good for them then.

Be a good Christian Gizmo and give me $100 will you.
I'll pay you back double in the next life Wink


...though to give Christianity or any form of 'reincarnation' a sense of credibility.
Its possible that the 'next life' is your children or inventions that are inspired by your original invention.
So suffer now for that which follows.
Back to top
 

SUCKING ON MY TITTIES, LIKE I KNOW YOU WANT TO.
 
IP Logged
 
gizmo_2655
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #18 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 5:52pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 5:35pm:
Good for them then.

Be a good Christian Gizmo and give me $100 will you.
I'll pay you back double in the next life Wink


...though to give Christianity or any form of 'reincarnation' a sense of credibility.
Its possible that the 'next life' is your children or inventions that are inspired by your original invention.
So suffer now for that which follows.


Nice try, but I'm NOT a Christian, I just know a lot about the doctrine
Back to top
 

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat
 
IP Logged
 
rabbitoh07
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2783
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #19 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 6:23pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 8:41am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 5:56am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 1:32pm:
From memory, yes they do. At least as far as Catholics are concerned.


No. Not any more. Ratzinger decreed no more purgatory.

SOB


Spot, 'innocents' didn't go to purgatory in the first place.
Purgatory is supposedly the place for those people who died 'in God's Grace' but with a few minor sins to atone for. Sort of like weekend detention, not bad enough to do hard time (Hell) but too good to go free ( Heaven).
Unborn, or new born children haven't committed any sins, so they get to go straight to Heaven.

Unborn, or new born children do not get to go straight to Heaven, because they are stained by Original Sin.  Until they are baptised - they are not free from sin.  So - no heaven for them.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75203
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #20 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 6:27pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 8:41am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 5:56am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 1:32pm:
From memory, yes they do. At least as far as Catholics are concerned.


No. Not any more. Ratzinger decreed no more purgatory.

SOB


Spot, 'innocents' didn't go to purgatory in the first place.
Purgatory is supposedly the place for those people who died 'in God's Grace' but with a few minor sins to atone for. Sort of like weekend detention, not bad enough to do hard time (Hell) but too good to go free ( Heaven).
Unborn, or new born children haven't committed any sins, so they get to go straight to Heaven.


but we aren't born without sin, according to the bible we are born bearing the original sin of Adam. Thats why we have christenings, to be purged of the sins. Does the same apply to a foetus?
Back to top
 

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
IP Logged
 
rabbitoh07
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 2783
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #21 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 7:09pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 6:27pm:
but we aren't born without sin, according to the bible we are born bearing the original sin of Adam. Thats why we have christenings, to be purged of the sins. Does the same apply to a foetus?

I think Adam was in the clear.  It was Eve's sin.

And those sheila's have been wrecking the joint ever since.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75203
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #22 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 7:13pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 7:09pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 6:27pm:
but we aren't born without sin, according to the bible we are born bearing the original sin of Adam. Thats why we have christenings, to be purged of the sins. Does the same apply to a foetus?

I think Adam was in the clear.  It was Eve's sin.

And those sheila's have been wrecking the joint ever since.


ok then, eve's sin ... we certainly aren't (according to the bible)  born innocent

Back to top
 

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
IP Logged
 
gizmo_2655
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #23 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 7:41pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 6:23pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 8:41am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 5:56am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 15th, 2013 at 1:32pm:
From memory, yes they do. At least as far as Catholics are concerned.


No. Not any more. Ratzinger decreed no more purgatory.

SOB


Spot, 'innocents' didn't go to purgatory in the first place.
Purgatory is supposedly the place for those people who died 'in God's Grace' but with a few minor sins to atone for. Sort of like weekend detention, not bad enough to do hard time (Hell) but too good to go free ( Heaven).
Unborn, or new born children haven't committed any sins, so they get to go straight to Heaven.

Unborn, or new born children do not get to go straight to Heaven, because they are stained by Original Sin.  Until they are baptised - they are not free from sin.  So - no heaven for them.


Unborn do, because we are 'born in sin'...not born, no sin.

As for newborns...Sin requires a conscious decision to break God's 'Laws' or rules. Newborn babies, or indeed toddlers can't do that, any more than an animal can.


Back to top
« Last Edit: Jun 16th, 2013 at 7:49pm by gizmo_2655 »  

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat
 
IP Logged
 
____
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #24 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 7:41pm
 
A foetus isn't born so how can it be born with "original sin".
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
It_is_the_Darkness
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4000
in a ReTardis
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #25 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 8:12pm
 
Sin is actually derived from the words Ab-Sin Nanna or Sin which is what the inventors upon the Temple of Ur called that which is known as the Moon these days.
Hence: Sin-Ur (Sinner).
It was Sin (the moon) that 'inspired' men to create Writing (Cuniform) in the realm of ancient Sumer(ia) and thus 'memory' became immortal in the eyes of...
...and thus proof of such things as ownership, lineage, etc became a sense of 'Power' and 'Breeding Rights' over others that was now set in stone. The conquering Babylonians corrupted Writing into such and dispensed with its more authentic beginnings of all things Farming, Astronomy and seasonal interpretations.
Eventually Religion came into being and thus 'Yalweh, God, Allah, etc' was created in the eyes of Man.

From the Middle-East Religion went on to describe the 3 Old Worlds that surrounded it: Europe (via Christianity) to the left of it, Asia (via Judaism) to the right of it and Africa (via Mohommedism) 'below' it.
There is no Religious expression of the Middle-East itself. But I guess thats where North America, South America and Australia come into it  Wink ...excluding that region in 'their' midst known as Oceania which promotes Science, Entertainment, Music, Tourism and all things wearing a black skivy.  Grin

So.
For a Feotus to be with or without Sin?
- just plain silly really Cheesy
Back to top
 

SUCKING ON MY TITTIES, LIKE I KNOW YOU WANT TO.
 
IP Logged
 
John Smith
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 75203
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #26 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 8:13pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 7:41pm:
Sin requires a conscious decision to break God's 'Laws' or rules. Newborn babies, or indeed toddlers can't do that, any more than an animal can


not according to the catholic bible. We are all born with 'original sin,'  consciousness doesn't come into it,
Back to top
 

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
IP Logged
 
It_is_the_Darkness
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 4000
in a ReTardis
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #27 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 8:21pm
 
White people moved into North America and ate from the tree of Knowledge and came to know good and evil.

Will they eat from the Tree of Life (as well) that is Australia?
And come to live forever like us (Gods)?

Grin Grin
Back to top
 

SUCKING ON MY TITTIES, LIKE I KNOW YOU WANT TO.
 
IP Logged
 
muso
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 13151
Gladstone, Queensland
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #28 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 8:33pm
 
Gods who pay three times as much for their groceries as they do in Europe. Wink
Back to top
 

...
1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not 
 
IP Logged
 
gizmo_2655
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male
Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #29 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 8:49pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 8:13pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16th, 2013 at 7:41pm:
Sin requires a conscious decision to break God's 'Laws' or rules. Newborn babies, or indeed toddlers can't do that, any more than an animal can


not according to the catholic bible. We are all born with 'original sin,'  consciousness doesn't come into it,


Yes it does. 'Original Sin' was the reason Jesus died for us. That forgives the 'original sin'.
Back to top
 

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print