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Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #30 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:57pm

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

White people moved into North America and ate from the tree of Knowledge and came to know good and evil.

Will they eat from the Tree of Life (as well) that is Australia?
And come to live forever like us (Gods)?

Grin

What are you talking about??...The 'eating from the tree of knowledge' thing happened long before the Jewish religion started, and THAT was 5773 years ago. Where as white people arrived in North America in some 4700 years later (the vikings somewhere around 1000AD...1013 years ago)

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven? Reply #31 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 9:04pm Please stop trying to say that Christianity was created by the Americans....it was the other way around. Read some history books, it'll open your eyes to lots of things. Oh and p.s...It makes you look like an idiot.
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Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #32 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 9:05pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

Sin requires a conscious decision to break God's 'Laws' or rules. Newborn babies, or indeed toddlers can't do that, any more than an animal can

not according to the catholic bible. We are all born with 'original sin,' consciousness doesn't come into it,

Yes it does. 'Original Sin' was the reason Jesus died for us. That forgives the 'original sin'.

Hmmm...I am no position to argue. I am only relying on 12 years of Catholic indoctrination - a long time ago - (and they never even sucked my cock once!?!?! What was wrong with me?!?!) - but I distinctly remember being told we were all born in sin. I may be wrong.

And I reckon that still applies to a foetus. Or embryo or zygote or whatever. Don't think the actual ride down the vaginal canal comes into it. Eve made you a sinner from the point of fertilisation. That is why Priests must shun women, and take whatever else is available.

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Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #33 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 9:17pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

Sin requires a conscious decision to break God's 'Laws' or rules. Newborn babies, or indeed toddlers can't do that, any more than an animal can

not according to the catholic bible. We are all born with 'original sin,' consciousness doesn't come into it,

Yes it does. 'Original Sin' was the reason Jesus died for us. That forgives the 'original sin'.

no, Jesus died for all mans other sins at the time, namely the belief in other gods etc .... we are born with the burden of original sin

Adam by his fault transmitted to us not only death
but also sin
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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm

I am catholic (non practicing) with devoutly catholic Italian parents, and I went to a catholic school and I was even an alter boy when i was young and stupid (and like Rabbitoh07, they never sucked my cock once either ... I guess they didn't like me either )

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Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #34 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 10:10pm

Sorry for having an 'overview' of Religion as a Global whole and of Religion and its place in a world that also exists with other things other than Religion to keep it turning. Sorry for seeing Religion for what it 'just is' - both in the past ...and future.

Sorry for putting all this in 'writing' right before your sorry-asss eyes Tongue

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Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #35 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 10:20pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

Sin requires a conscious decision to break God's 'Laws' or rules. Newborn babies, or indeed toddlers can't do that, any more than an animal can

not according to the catholic bible. We are all born with 'original sin,' consciousness doesn't come into it,

Yes it does. 'Original Sin' was the reason Jesus died for us. That forgives the 'original sin'.

no, Jesus died for all mans other sins at the time, namely the belief in other gods etc .... we are born with the burden of original sin

Adam by his fault transmitted to us not only death
but also sin
,
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm

I am catholic (non practicing) with devoutly catholic Italian parents, and I went to a catholic school and I was even an alter boy when i was young and stupid (and like Rabbitoh07, they never sucked my cock once either ... I guess they didn't like me either )

With all respect to you and Rabbit, and to your parents, I was also raised Catholic (also now lapsed) and I was taught that abortion was murder, and murder victims catch the express bus to Heaven.

And the New Advent site is an online version of the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, which hasn't been updated since it's original printing, 1907-1912

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #36 - Jun 17^th, 2013 at 6:51pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

Sin requires a conscious decision to break God's 'Laws' or rules. Newborn babies, or indeed toddlers can't do that, any more than an animal can

not according to the catholic bible. We are all born with 'original sin,' consciousness doesn't come into it,

Yes it does. 'Original Sin' was the reason Jesus died for us. That forgives the 'original sin'.

no, Jesus died for all mans other sins at the time, namely the belief in other gods etc .... we are born with the burden of original sin

Adam by his fault transmitted to us not only death
but also sin
,
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm

I am catholic (non practicing) with devoutly catholic Italian parents, and I went to a catholic school and I was even an alter boy when i was young and stupid (and like Rabbitoh07, they never sucked my cock once either ... I guess they didn't like me either )

With all respect to you and Rabbit, and to your parents, I was also raised Catholic (also now lapsed) and I was taught that abortion was murder, and murder victims catch the express bus to Heaven.

So Osama bin Laden is kicking back in heaven now with Carl Williams?

That hardly seems fair.

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Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #37 - Jun 17^th, 2013 at 9:18pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

Sin requires a conscious decision to break God's 'Laws' or rules. Newborn babies, or indeed toddlers can't do that, any more than an animal can

not according to the catholic bible. We are all born with 'original sin,' consciousness doesn't come into it,

Yes it does. 'Original Sin' was the reason Jesus died for us. That forgives the 'original sin'.

no, Jesus died for all mans other sins at the time, namely the belief in other gods etc .... we are born with the burden of original sin

Adam by his fault transmitted to us not only death
but also sin
,
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm

I am catholic (non practicing) with devoutly catholic Italian parents, and I went to a catholic school and I was even an alter boy when i was young and stupid (and like Rabbitoh07, they never sucked my cock once either ... I guess they didn't like me either )

With all respect to you and Rabbit, and to your parents, I was also raised Catholic (also now lapsed) and I was taught that abortion was murder, and murder victims catch the express bus to Heaven.

And the New Advent site is an online version of the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, which hasn't been updated since it's original printing, 1907-1912

I did originally say that I wasn't sure how it applied to an unborn foetus

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Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #38 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 5:39am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Please stop trying to say that Christianity was created by the Americans....it was the other way around. Read some history books, it'll open your eyes to lots of things.

Oh and p.s...It makes you look like an idiot.

That is what the mormons believe. Are you disrespecting the mormons?

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