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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Does A Foetus Go To Heaven? Jun 15^th, 2013 at 11:08am As a non christian, I am curious ... An aborted foetus, does it go to a/ God in heaven? b/ semi punished in Purgatory c/ or punished for it's sins for eternity in Hell. d/ an aborted foetus is not human, so is trash. advanced thanks for clearing this up for me.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven? Reply #1 - Jun 15^th, 2013 at 11:12am Ratzinger murdered the 20 million babies in purgatory by decreeing it doesnt exist anymore. SOB
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven? Reply #2 - Jun 15^th, 2013 at 11:29am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2013 at 11:12am: Ratzinger murdered the 20 million babies in purgatory by decreeing it doesnt exist anymore. SOB The mass murdering bugger. No wonder he got kicked out.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven? Reply #3 - Jun 15^th, 2013 at 1:32pm From memory, yes they do. At least as far as Catholics are concerned.
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Reply #4 - Jun 15^th, 2013 at 2:37pm

When you say Hell, do you mean the afterlife adopted from the Greeks (Hades), Sheol, the physical place of burial under the Earth, or Gehenna, the Bronze Age waste disposal site in the Valley of Hinnon outside Jerusalem. All three are translated as "Hell" in the Bible, depending on the translation. Luther's German translation and the KJV can be blamed for this.

I'd say that there is no consensus within Christianity as a whole, and the Catholic Church regard Hell as a state of absence from God rather than a place.

I'd say that Sheol is probably the final resting place, and the intermediate "purgatory" is SITA or Transwaste (take your pick)

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven? Reply #5 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 5:56am gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2013 at 1:32pm: From memory, yes they do. At least as far as Catholics are concerned. No. Not any more. Ratzinger decreed no more purgatory. SOB
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Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven?
Reply #6 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:41am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 5:56am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

From memory, yes they do. At least as far as Catholics are concerned.

No. Not any more. Ratzinger decreed no more purgatory.

SOB

Spot, 'innocents' didn't go to purgatory in the first place.
Purgatory is supposedly the place for those people who died 'in God's Grace' but with a few minor sins to atone for. Sort of like weekend detention, not bad enough to do hard time (Hell) but too good to go free ( Heaven).
Unborn, or new born children haven't committed any sins, so they get to go straight to Heaven.

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Reply #7 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 9:20am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 5:56am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

From memory, yes they do. At least as far as Catholics are concerned.

No. Not any more. Ratzinger decreed no more purgatory.

SOB

Spot, 'innocents' didn't go to purgatory in the first place.
Purgatory is supposedly the place for those people who died 'in God's Grace' but with a few minor sins to atone for. Sort of like weekend detention, not bad enough to do hard time (Hell) but too good to go free ( Heaven).
Unborn, or new born children haven't committed any sins, so they get to go straight to Heaven.

How about a RU-486 aborted first day first stage trimester foetus , would this entity go to heaven?

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Reply #8 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 9:26am

____ wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 5:56am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

From memory, yes they do. At least as far as Catholics are concerned.

No. Not any more. Ratzinger decreed no more purgatory.

SOB

Spot, 'innocents' didn't go to purgatory in the first place.
Purgatory is supposedly the place for those people who died 'in God's Grace' but with a few minor sins to atone for. Sort of like weekend detention, not bad enough to do hard time (Hell) but too good to go free ( Heaven).
Unborn, or new born children haven't committed any sins, so they get to go straight to Heaven.

How about a RU-486 aborted first day first stage trimester foetus , would this entity go to heaven?

I suppose so (depending on when a foetus 'becomes' a person). It's about crimes or sins committed, so 'victims' get to go, 'perpetrators' get punished.

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Reply #9 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 10:44am

Hell no!

There are two major forms of IMMORTALITY that are given to Humankind.

Women give us IMMORTALITY through procreation of children - so that we may live 'forever' through them, be it en-mass (quantity) in the name of Youth or longevity (quality) in the name of Elder.
Men give us IMMORTALITY through inventions, innovations, building Pyramids as Tombstones to be remembered to tiny headstones with a TV on em so for the cost of a coin, one can watch a dvd of that person's life in retro. Things to accompany the growth of humanity, both in quantity and quality.

The USA by culture has a nice compliment to 'Heaven' in that it seems to be the one that is furthering our world through Aviation, Astronomy and going up into Space in everything associated with the Religious 'Heaven'.
...unlike us Australians who were caste down (from England) and sent 'down under' to become world leaders in Water technology and to keep the 'toilet' clean. Tongue

So - in reference to the Foetus.
Maybe to 'splodge' heaven via a bucket list wish.
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Reply #10 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 11:10am

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

Hell no!

There are two major forms of IMMORTALITY that are given to Humankind.

Women give us IMMORTALITY through procreation of children - so that we may live 'forever' through them, be it en-mass (quantity) in the name of Youth or longevity (quality) in the name of Elder.
Men give us IMMORTALITY through inventions, innovations, building Pyramids as Tombstones to be remembered to tiny headstones with a TV on em so for the cost of a coin, one can watch a dvd of that person's life in retro. Things to accompany the growth of humanity, both in quantity and quality.

The USA by culture has a nice compliment to 'Heaven' in that it seems to be the one that is furthering our world through Aviation, Astronomy and going up into Space in everything associated with the Religious 'Heaven'.
...unlike us Australians who were caste down (from England) and sent 'down under' to become world leaders in Water technology and to keep the 'toilet' clean. Tongue

So - in reference to the Foetus.
Maybe to 'splodge' heaven via a bucket list wish.
Roll Eyes

Jasign, the question is about Christian beliefs, and is correct under my memories of those beliefs

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Reply #11 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 11:50am

Christianity is a Middle-Eastern ('birthplace' of Reading/Writing aka Religion and Fashion aka Spirituality) EXPRESSION or THEME of Europe which was culturally more Medical and Food Industry orientated ...hence the emphasis in Christianity upon such things as 'Healing & Last Supper', etc.
Medicine is leading European nations to prosperity ...where as Politics, Military - and Religion leads European nations to ruin Wink

Christianity, along with Mohomedism (a Religion themed upon Africa by a race more related to Asians)
and Judaism (a Religion themed upon Asia by a race more related to Africans)
...are three Monotheisms (one empowers an individual, another empowers a mass of people and the other exploits both like a middle-man Wink

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So the concept of 'Heaven' via Christianity is DEFAULT
...for really such a description is expressed via Religion as 'going up into the sky' (of which North Americans and birds seem to exhibit the best). Nothing more than that sorry to say.
People don't express 11km down into the Abyss of the Ocean depths as 'Heaven' Tongue

So any concept of a Feotus going to 'heaven' is just pure 'ridiculous'.
Its just a peice of undeveloped tissue that has not reached 'maturity' for a birth due to its own 'defects' or 'faults' via the mother, let alone be moulded and shaped by the Father and the World 'after' it has been born.
What people mourn or think of, in regards to the Bucket Splodge is 'the ideal or potential' for it to have 'gone to heaven' Wink

It's like thinking every sperm that 'didn't make it' to the egg and won through in the end ...should be saved! Roll Eyes

and deserves life!

Throwing one's guilt of 'failure' upon a foetus is pathetic.
Abortions are not just privy to Religion.
Its more a Medical Reason.
Just like for 'medical' reasons I say to Gays. What you are doing is 'un-hygenic' and damages 'that' part of your body. What you are doing is wrong and not good for you. Its ok. Everyone makes mistakes. You can love your fellow 'mate', without sexually abusing his body.

People get executed for doing something bad, evil, etc. They are 'flawed'. Sometimes, incarcerated and forgotten in isolation until they wither, fade and go away. Sometimes - people get aborted.

Christianity may not be able to put the paperwork on Abortion. But maybe the 'new' Religions themed from the New Worlds (like Mormonism for North America for starters) may be able to do so Wink

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Reply #12 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 4:06pm

____ wrote on Jun 15^th, 2013 at 11:08am:

As a non christian, I am curious ...

An aborted foetus, does it go to

a/ God in heaven?

b/ semi punished in Purgatory

c/ or punished for it's sins for eternity in Hell.

d/ an aborted foetus is not human, so is trash.

advanced thanks for clearing this up for me.

I'ld pick - a/ God in heaven?

It has not sinned.

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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: Does A Foetus Go To Heaven? Reply #13 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 4:39pm ...I'll pick D/- TRASH (etc) Do animals go to Heaven? Considering how they get treated and 'aborted' from this world... Maybe a few blessings of Halal or Psalms will make things 'all better' before we slice and dice their meat that tastes just as nice now.
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Reply #14 - Jun 16^th, 2013 at 4:55pm

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 4:39pm:

...I'll pick D/- TRASH (etc)

Do animals go to Heaven?
Considering how they get treated and 'aborted' from this world... Huh

Maybe a few blessings of Halal or Psalms will make things 'all better' before we slice and dice their meat that tastes just as nice now. Roll Eyes

Perhaps they do..
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096787/

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