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Is there a real gender war in Australia?
Jun 18^th, 2013 at 3:27pm

I think there is an ongoing undercurrent. I don't know about war.
I heard a discussion the other day and I was really struck by what one of the women guests said about women having been the butt of sexist jokes in Australia ever since the first fleet. She quoted a typical one: that a woman is something for a bloke to lie on when he is having sex.
I laughed. Well it's a funny line. But underneath does it mean something more? Is it a statement that men have no respect for women as people?
And equally there are women about who definitely have it in for men (no pun intended). I was watching the Drum the other night and there was a woman - I think her name was Jane Caro - who sent out definite man-hating signals to me. And of course we all remember Germaine.
Have things not really improved, just gone underground, since the days when the men used to gather at one end of the room and the women at the other?
What do people think? Do we have a problem relating to one another across the "gender divide" . . .sounds like a mountain range doesn't it.

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Re: Is there a real gender war in Australia?
Reply #2 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 3:59pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

I think there is an ongoing undercurrent. I don't know about war.
I heard a discussion the other day and I was really struck by what one of the women guests said about women having been the butt of sexist jokes in Australia ever since the first fleet. She quoted a typical one: that a woman is something for a bloke to lie on when he is having sex.
I laughed. Well it's a funny line. But underneath does it mean something more? Is it a statement that men have no respect for women as people?
And equally there are women about who definitely have it in for men (no pun intended). I was watching the Drum the other night and there was a woman - I think her name was Jane Caro - who sent out definite man-hating signals to me. And of course we all remember Germaine.
Have things not really improved, just gone underground, since the days when the men used to gather at one end of the room and the women at the other?
What do people think? Do we have a problem relating to one another across the "gender divide" . . .sounds like a mountain range doesn't it.

The gender divide is just natural.

The jokes are mostly banter and not hate or mysogeny / misanthropy.

Yeah there are the men / woman haters but they are just mentally deranged or homos (or both Wink

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Reply #4 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 4:36pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2013 at 3:33pm:

Is there a real gender war in Australia?

yes .... I think washing the dishes is my wifes job and she seems to think i should do it ... we fight over it all the time. Women should learn their place.

Now, do the right thing. (put a TV in the kitchen for her to watch)

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Reply #5 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 4:49pm

GA wrote on Jun 18^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2013 at 3:33pm:

Is there a real gender war in Australia?

yes .... I think washing the dishes is my wifes job and she seems to think i should do it ... we fight over it all the time. Women should learn their place.

Now, do the right thing. (put a TV in the kitchen for her to watch)

I'll have to try that one.

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Reply #6 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 4:57pm

I don't think there is to be honest.

People can find a war or a conflict if they look for it, but often everyday modern families have incredible equality.

Until she went on mat leave, my wife out-earned me every single year. Did it bother me?
Not really.

Now transport us back to my grandfather's day and he would have died of shame, out-earned by his wife.

Being a father of 2 girls I am as keen as anyone that there be no gender barriers for them to be whatever they like.
I am though disappointed that, should they choose to live in Australia, their role model would be held as Julia Gillard??

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Reply #7 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 5:21pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

I think there is an ongoing undercurrent. I don't know about war.
I heard a discussion the other day and I was really struck by what one of the women guests said about women having been the butt of sexist jokes in Australia ever since the first fleet. She quoted a typical one: that a woman is something for a bloke to lie on when he is having sex.
I laughed. Well it's a funny line. But underneath does it mean something more? Is it a statement that men have no respect for women as people?
And equally there are women about who definitely have it in for men (no pun intended). I was watching the Drum the other night and there was a woman - I think her name was Jane Caro - who sent out definite man-hating signals to me. And of course we all remember Germaine.
Have things not really improved, just gone underground, since the days when the men used to gather at one end of the room and the women at the other?
What do people think? Do we have a problem relating to one another across the "gender divide" . . .sounds like a mountain range doesn't it.

There is a war and feminists started it. And in as little as 150 years it may well end when the last male of the species dies. Thru the processes of natural attrition and the termination of male fetuses, males would eventually be eliminated. The aptly named 'post nuclear family' (it looks likes it's taken a direct hit from a H-bomb) would be replaced by the Bull-dyke and her harem. Males, being more inefficient than are females would be the justification needed, for the man who has been raised to accept that he is sacrificial, to accept that he no longer has the right to exist. If we look around we will notice, even now, that the first planks in this ideological battle are being put in place. Abortion as a fundamental right would have been step 1, step 2 would be gay marriage, which will, by default, favor female offspring. Step 3 would be the elimination of 'parents'. (we see this happening now with Gillard's enforcement of the 'self sufficient' single parent). Single parents, being capable of producing male offspring will no longer have the freedom to have as many children as they would have while on the single parenting payments. And to accelerate the process, some time in the future, the 'compulsory euthanasia age' will be lowered. (Age, being an often painful, always terminal illness).

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Reply #8 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 6:40pm

No - there is no real gender war here - only a trumped up one similar to that in the United States, with the 'war against women's reproductive rights' that was a tea in a stormcup over giving out the pill to students and getting Catholic employers to sign up (as they already had) to their women employees being 'permitted' to access contraception at other providers of health insurance.

About as meaningful as a Gillardism such as 'Misogyny... Misogyny... Misogyny"......

Frankly if any political figure can't take the pressure he or she should stand down, not whine they are being picked on because they are a Salgumpian with a live-in Follagandist boy/girlfriend.

No take-a da heat - you leave-a da kitchen! No complain!

As for the other gender war issues - there remain the extremely stupid EEO (Affirmative Action) that deliberately favours women, plus the distorted 'education' system that favours the way girls 'study' and so forth, biased employment and promotion, undue political influence to impose unelected swill on the electorate, divorce and custody equality for men as well to attain, abolition of 'domestic violence' "laws" that violate human and legal rights, replacement of the women's and other select group's offices with a single office with teeth to oversee a Bill of Rights with TEETH (maybe hang a few magistrates, judges, and politicians for show), and so forth.

Not a war - just an endless round of stupid policies that have set Australia against itself while the farm first burns down, then goes into liquidation, then is dug up for minerals - and fortunately against its political masters (deliberate use of that term)..... Wink

*conference time for the Real Australian Republic coming up...

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Reply #9 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 6:55pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 18^th, 2013 at 4:57pm:

I don't think there is to be honest.

People can find a war or a conflict if they look for it, but often everyday modern families have incredible equality.

Until she went on mat leave, my wife out-earned me every single year. Did it bother me?
Not really.

Now transport us back to my grandfather's day and he would have died of shame, out-earned by his wife.

Being a father of 2 girls I am as keen as anyone that there be no gender barriers for them to be whatever they like.
I am though disappointed that, should they choose to live in Australia, their role model would be held as Julia Gillard??

It always saddens me when people attempt to make the false connection between totally different social times and conditions pre-1950's - and then use that to somehow justify ongoing rape of men's rights as above...

The moment you even permit the existence of corporate punishment for some purported past wrong (that did not exist in reality - what did your grandfather do for a living? Well-heeled was he.. laird of the manor? Or just a serf who had his lungs killed off in the industries?) - you accept absolute and unmitigated discrimination as the way things are done.

That is perhaps the greatest act of violence against a social group within a country/society, and is rightly viewed as a Crime Against Humanity by the same United Nations that makes such play about 'women's rights' and 'empowering women' and so on.

Talk about Left hand/Right hand......

When you are ready to discuss affirmative action by another name, and its abuse as nothing more than an employment route for those less capable of hard work - we can talk again.

I have no objection to Disabled people getting some AA - but women these days?

For what Earthly reason do they NEED affirmative action here?

And please - no discussion of the plight of women in Longoffistan and the Faraway Islands.... we don't control those and have no right to try to do so under international law.

ADDS:- My daughter has not a single barrier to her - she has every right to do what she wants and can. Why do people somehow 'fear' that things like the vote and education will be suddenly ripped from women and thus these need to be 'guarded' and 'defended' and 'enhanced' against that dire future?

That is the most absurd paranoia I've ever heard.

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Reply #10 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 7:15pm

I'm a middle-child who goes the reverse of my siblings and sees my mother in the name of money and my father in the name of relationships.
Does this mean I have to be 'Gay' and have sex with men?

NO!

ya fools!

COMMON SENSE of the COMMON PEOPLE of the COMMONWEALTH of OZ.

With Julia Gillard as POWER(monger?)
Gina Rinehart as GOLD (digger?)
Bryce Courtney as CULTURAL (traitor?)

...the idea that Australia is a nation of Women still subjugated to being nothing more than 'inferior' houswives and breeders is absurd!
Although the above 3 mentioned probably think such women as 'inferior' themselves.

What we have here, especially in Gillard is FEMINISM gone bad. Took a short cut and gone 'wrong way' (turn back, do not collect $200!).

Talking with school kids today who told me that the 'sandwich throwers' were suspended - the vibe I got was that children hate Gillard. Huh

You wouldn't think that in a woman.

I dislike how Gillard is trying to feed and EXPLOIT any sexism in regards to her being a female PM.
WHO CARES! Roll Eyes

The NOVELTY of Obama was pathetic because he was 'Black'. So what! Khoffi Annan went further and before Obama because he just got on with being POLITICAL.

I think Kate Ellis (Pentberthy?) would be a far more sincere and 'authentic' female PM than Gillard has shown.

GILLARD IS A FRAUD.

Sorry, but she deserves all the sexist remarks she gets because she is asking for it to solicit SYMPATHY upon the 'NOVELTY' of her being a Female, rather than a Polititian.

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Reply #11 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 7:31pm

Theres always been a degree of enmity between the sexes, but deep down we all know that we can't live without each other, and thus it is in all of our best interests to find some sort of social agreement that all can be happy with.

What you see now is just ongoing, dynamic renegotiation of that agreement, as has been constantly occurring since time immemorial. Only now "the machine" is getting involved, and trying to fan the flames of rivalry for their own reasons.

Intersexual relations are a zero-sum game, so without coercion by an external force, both parties get precisely the outcome they earn and deserve.

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Reply #12 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 8:39pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 18^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

There is a gender difference.

Women like men who like women.
Men like women who like men.

Hence, gillards perceived misandrist drift rightly led to men deciding against her.

I was wondering how long it would take for some rightwing ranter to turn this into a "I hate Gillard" thread.

My money was on Swag, but he proved a let down. Not for the first time.

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Reply #13 - Jun 18^th, 2013 at 9:59pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 18^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

I was wondering how long it would take for some rightwing ranter to turn this into a "I hate Gillard" thread.

My money was on Swag, but he proved a let down. Not for the first time

I don't hate Julia Peter I just don't care for the ideology of her party.

I've got plenty of friends that are (well used to be that is) rusted on Labor voters.

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Reply #14 - Jun 19^th, 2013 at 4:43am

Swagman wrote on Jun 18^th, 2013 at 9:59pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 18^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

I was wondering how long it would take for some rightwing ranter to turn this into a "I hate Gillard" thread.

My money was on Swag, but he proved a let down. Not for the first time

I don't hate Julia Peter I just don't care for the ideology of her party.

I've got plenty of friends that are (well used to be that is) rusted on Labor voters.

Cheesy

The "ideology" isnt any different from abbotts party except its more organised.

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