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Reply #45 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 5:24am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 11:41pm:
I buy the cheapest item I can usually, and I am happy if that helps out dirt poor struggling foreign workers rather than whinging Aussies who think everyone owes them.



Well you, nails, pansi and crook must absolutely wet yourself with excitement every time a business goes under of lays off a few hundred workers.

Always surprises me that people demand cheap and easy never accept the same from themselves; they demand a decent wage and to be treated with respect in the workplace, but would never consider doing that for other people.


I buy Australian and I buy quality, a lot of the time they are the same, I do not try and screw someone over for my own short term financial gain; and there in lays the difference between myself and you lot.


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Reply #46 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 10:15am
 
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So you're saying that that farmer is a liar?


I'm saying that every time you watch ACA, your IQ drops by 1 point. It's true. I saw it on today tonight.

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Well you, nails, pansi and crook must absolutely wet yourself with excitement every time a business goes under of lays off a few hundred workers.


That's capitalism for you. It's not the end of the world. It is actually how our economy grows. If nothing ever changed we would all be weaving baskets.

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Always surprises me that people demand cheap and easy never accept the same from themselves; they demand a decent wage and to be treated with respect in the workplace, but would never consider doing that for other people.


Sure I do. The best way to increase the wages of the poorest people is to buy stuff off them, especially from the ones doing a viable business.

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I buy Australian and I buy quality, a lot of the time they are the same, I do not try and screw someone over for my own short term financial gain


But you are screwing someone over. The fact that you also loose out in doing so does not give you some kind of moral high ground. It just makes you foolish.
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Reply #47 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm
 
Bobby
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So you're saying that that farmer is a liar?


FD
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I'm saying that every time you watch ACA, your IQ drops by 1 point. It's true. I saw it on today tonight.


FD,
I am sure that 1000s of trees have been bulldozed & burnt.
You did make a good point about burning a green tree or stump -
maybe those trees had been bulldozed months before in the summer & were being burnt now?
You can't expect a short report to have every detail.
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Reply #48 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 12:08pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 5:24am:
freediver wrote on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 11:41pm:
I buy the cheapest item I can usually, and I am happy if that helps out dirt poor struggling foreign workers rather than whinging Aussies who think everyone owes them.



Well you, nails, pansi and crook must absolutely wet yourself with excitement every time a business goes under of lays off a few hundred workers.

Always surprises me that people demand cheap and easy never accept the same from themselves; they demand a decent wage and to be treated with respect in the workplace, but would never consider doing that for other people.


I buy Australian and I buy quality, a lot of the time they are the same, I do not try and screw someone over for my own short term financial gain; and there in lays the difference between myself and you lot.




so you would buy the $170 harvey norman imported latex pillow when you can buy the same elsewhere for $25 !! And because you are such a simpleton you want to criticize others just because they are wise to the scam Shocked
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Reply #49 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 1:37pm
 
the shoit is really going to hit the fan when the west finally wake up to the fact that you cant globalise trade without globalising the labour market.

if australia doesnt free up its labor market, if labor dont stop supporting crazy , racist trade unions who want to buy cheaply off the sweat and toil of the asian, and borrow off the aasian to fund social service programs like free health care, ndis etc. which are not available to the asian.

we are all in this together now.
bob hawke and paul keating (rightly in my opinion) opened up free trade.  this means free trade in LABOUR as well. dont like the fact your job can be outsourced to india or china.

tough titties.  you should work harder and smarter than our neighbours, study harder at school and be more frugal

i welcome the arrival of our asian overlords who will hopefully whip this god awful ,lazy, whinging, pampered , OH and S crazy, penalty rate obseesed, nation into shape.

i hope to employ asians and see them feeding left over scraps to the racist overpaid selfish lazy australian worker who should soon be scrounging at the tip.

as dr phil says, there are 2 sides to every pancake and you are about to reap what you sewed, lazy fat bloated consumer society Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy.
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Reply #50 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 1:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 1:02pm:
I agree with you about food subsidies, and they highlight the risk of trade barriers. Once one country does it, people in other countries start demanding that their governments do it too. The people who really loose out from food subsidies are third world countries that are net food exporters. These are the countries that should be gradually and sustainably working their way out of poverty, but food subsidies keep them there.

The answer of course is more free trade, not less. Instead of campaigning for protection of our farmers, we should be campaigning for the end to US and EU farm subsidies.


The problem is other countries are doing it. You must be gullible to think that there is a level playing field Sad
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Reply #51 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 1:56pm
 
Free trade is to international economics what perfect competition is to national economics.
That is, it's an idealised situation which never has been nor probably never will be replicated in the real world.
Is the grocery trade in Australia producing a fair result for consumers or producers? No.
By being an icon of a free trading nation are we gaining a fair result for our consumers and producers? No.
Does that mean we shouldn't work towards a better trading world? No.
But we should be working the system more as others do rather than just working within the system.
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Reply #52 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm:
Bobby
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So you're saying that that farmer is a liar?


FD
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I'm saying that every time you watch ACA, your IQ drops by 1 point. It's true. I saw it on today tonight.


FD,
I am sure that 1000s of trees have been bulldozed & burnt.
You did make a good point about burning a green tree or stump -
maybe those trees had been bulldozed months before in the summer & were being burnt now?
You can't expect a short report to have every detail.


You can't expect ACA to do any real journalism either.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 1:40pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 1:02pm:
I agree with you about food subsidies, and they highlight the risk of trade barriers. Once one country does it, people in other countries start demanding that their governments do it too. The people who really loose out from food subsidies are third world countries that are net food exporters. These are the countries that should be gradually and sustainably working their way out of poverty, but food subsidies keep them there.

The answer of course is more free trade, not less. Instead of campaigning for protection of our farmers, we should be campaigning for the end to US and EU farm subsidies.


The problem is other countries are doing it. You must be gullible to think that there is a level playing field Sad


This is good for us too. Not necessarily for our farmers, but it basically means US and EU taxpayers are subsidising food for us. Same thing with the proton - dirt poor Malaysians are subsidising cars for us.
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Reply #53 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:30pm
 
Freediver,
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You can't expect ACA to do any real journalism either.



Dear FD,
I am convinced that the story about those trees is true.
It happens all the time as farmers can't compete with imported products.

We are losing our food security as well.

I find your cynicism disturbing.


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Reply #54 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 12:06pm:
Bobby
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So you're saying that that farmer is a liar?


FD
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I'm saying that every time you watch ACA, your IQ drops by 1 point. It's true. I saw it on today tonight.


FD,
I am sure that 1000s of trees have been bulldozed & burnt.
You did make a good point about burning a green tree or stump -
maybe those trees had been bulldozed months before in the summer & were being burnt now?
You can't expect a short report to have every detail.


You can't expect ACA to do any real journalism either.

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 1:40pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 22nd, 2013 at 1:02pm:
I agree with you about food subsidies, and they highlight the risk of trade barriers. Once one country does it, people in other countries start demanding that their governments do it too. The people who really loose out from food subsidies are third world countries that are net food exporters. These are the countries that should be gradually and sustainably working their way out of poverty, but food subsidies keep them there.

The answer of course is more free trade, not less. Instead of campaigning for protection of our farmers, we should be campaigning for the end to US and EU farm subsidies.


The problem is other countries are doing it. You must be gullible to think that there is a level playing field Sad


This is good for us too. Not necessarily for our farmers, but it basically means US and EU taxpayers are subsidising food for us. Same thing with the proton - dirt poor Malaysians are subsidising cars for us.


you are dreaming.

the truth of the matter is the pollies have an unwritten rule where they encourage the rest of the world to buy our resources and land at bargain basement prices provided we kill off our own industries and instead import those goods from those countries.

why do you think Bob Hawke has gone to china nearly 100 times so he can sell off bits of australian land to the chinese Sad

In the end these farmers will have to sell off their land for next to nothing Sad
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Reply #55 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:46pm
 
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I am convinced that the story about those trees is true.
It happens all the time as farmers can't compete with imported products.


I am happy to accept that trees were bulldozed. The explanation given is most likely crap. It fails the common sense test. Once you have the trees planted and producing fruit, you have already sunk a lot of the costs. It would not go from financially viable to plant the trees and raise them, to being financially unviable to harvest from existing trees. Chances are one of the farmers had some trees at the end of their useful life, and decided the images of them being bulldozed would be a good chance for yet another ACA whingefest. One thing is for sure - ACA is not going to ask the hard questions that might undermine a simple story with good footage.

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We are losing our food security as well.


We are a net food exporter, without even trying, and that is not going to change. What does that mean to you?

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I find your cynicism disturbing.


It is not as disturbing as your naivety. What are you doing even watching ACA? Are you a bored housewife or something?

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the truth of the matter is the pollies have an unwritten rule where they encourage the rest of the world to buy our resources and land at bargain basement prices provided we kill off our own industries and instead import those goods from those countries


Sounds like a conspiracy to me. Have you contacted ACA about it yet? Though they might be too scared to go after the big end of town.
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Reply #56 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:46pm:
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I am convinced that the story about those trees is true.
It happens all the time as farmers can't compete with imported products.


I am happy to accept that trees were bulldozed. The explanation given is most likely crap. It fails the common sense test. Once you have the trees planted and producing fruit, you have already sunk a lot of the costs. It would not go from financially viable to plant the trees and raise them, to being financially unviable to harvest from existing trees. Chances are one of the farmers had some trees at the end of their useful life, and decided the images of them being bulldozed would be a good chance for yet another ACA whingefest. One thing is for sure - ACA is not going to ask the hard questions that might undermine a simple story with good footage.

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We are losing our food security as well.


We are a net food exporter, without even trying, and that is not going to change. What does that mean to you?

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I find your cynicism disturbing.


It is not as disturbing as your naivety. What are you doing even watching ACA? Are you a bored housewife or something?

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the truth of the matter is the pollies have an unwritten rule where they encourage the rest of the world to buy our resources and land at bargain basement prices provided we kill off our own industries and instead import those goods from those countries


Sounds like a conspiracy to me. Have you contacted ACA about it yet? Though they might be too scared to go after the big end of town.



Dear Freediver,
no matter what source I quote I am put down by the readers here.
I quote CNN, TIME magazine, Today Tonight, ABC Lateline etc -
it doesn't matter to people here.
Whatever I do is not good enough for them.

You have to quote something to back up a story.
Many people just give no links at all & get 100s of replies.

What news service or site would be acceptable to you?
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Reply #57 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:46pm:
Quote:
I am convinced that the story about those trees is true.
It happens all the time as farmers can't compete with imported products.


I am happy to accept that trees were bulldozed. The explanation given is most likely crap. It fails the common sense test. Once you have the trees planted and producing fruit, you have already sunk a lot of the costs. It would not go from financially viable to plant the trees and raise them, to being financially unviable to harvest from existing trees. Chances are one of the farmers had some trees at the end of their useful life, and decided the images of them being bulldozed would be a good chance for yet another ACA whingefest. One thing is for sure - ACA is not going to ask the hard questions that might undermine a simple story with good footage.

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We are losing our food security as well.


We are a net food exporter, without even trying, and that is not going to change. What does that mean to you?

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I find your cynicism disturbing.


It is not as disturbing as your naivety. What are you doing even watching ACA? Are you a bored housewife or something?

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the truth of the matter is the pollies have an unwritten rule where they encourage the rest of the world to buy our resources and land at bargain basement prices provided we kill off our own industries and instead import those goods from those countries


Sounds like a conspiracy to me. Have you contacted ACA about it yet? Though they might be too scared to go after the big end of town.


No need  ! I live in a suburb full of chinese who can only afford to buy property here. All of the traditional aussies have moved out to the bogun suburbs with high unemployment rates. The pollies have already sold us out Sad

Bob Hawke is the national real estate agent for Australia Sad

Labor will be tossed out into the political rubbish bin at the next election and will become extinct like the democrats. One thing people don't like is to be treated like a second rate citizen after paying taxes for all of their working life. The other thing they don't like is having their intelligence insulted by lying politicians.
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Reply #58 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 7:17pm
 
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no matter what source I quote I am put down by the readers here.


You can hardly expect us to take ACA seriously. By your own admission the piece had some logical flaws.

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What news service or site would be acceptable to you?


You should start with The Australian or the SMH.

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No need  ! I live in a suburb full of chinese who can only afford to buy property here.


It sounds like they are Australians to me.
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Reply #59 - Jun 24th, 2013 at 7:24am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 23rd, 2013 at 7:17pm:
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no matter what source I quote I am put down by the readers here.


You can hardly expect us to take ACA seriously. By your own admission the piece had some logical flaws.

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What news service or site would be acceptable to you?


You should start with The Australian or the SMH.




What about the Melbourne AGE & Herald Sun?
The Australian & SMH are both right wing papers but
I have also quoted from them too.
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