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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #270 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:30pm  
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:23pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:20pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:06pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:02pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:55pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
ian wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:09pm:
Lets see someone defend this pedophiles right to live amongst humans.


It is a question of society's right to kill him. I believe we have no such right.

In the case referred to, a man aged 42 has been sentenced to 40 years. If he serves his full sentence he may never be released.

Every day of the rest of his life, he can think about what he did and why he is behind bars.

Isn't that a better punishment than putting him to death?


meanwhile every day for the next 80 yrs, this kid gets to re-live everything they did to him. Nope, I still think it would be better for all concerned if they killed the bloke ... at least then the kid would know there is one monster under his bed who is never coming back.


Is that really the best you can come up with? That lame piece of crap? Are you so desperate to see someone die?


not someone, just a pieces of living sh1t like this bloke.

What makes you think I need to justify my position to you? I'm not trying to convince you, just don't try and convince me that pandering to these pedo's is the answer.


If you are not prepared to take a position and justify it, what the hell are you doing here? Take up lacrosse instead.


voicing my opinion .... do not kid yourself as to your importance ... I have never, nor ever will be, required to justify to you why I have any opinion on anything. If I choose to give my reasons about something I will, If I don't tough ... if you don't like it I suggest you take up lacrosse


which is part of why nobody listens to you or takes you seriously. if you want to be taken seriously anywhere you will actually have reasons - even poor ones - for the positions you hold. Otherwise you will be viewed as a bogon for whom we have contempt and pity. 

BTW it is your type that ends up executed unfairly because you are too stupid to be able to defend yourself properly.


you seriously have problems ..... are you on medication? If you didn't take what I said seriously why do you try to argue what I say ... why don't you try sticking to topic instead of trying to divert attention away from your stupidity?


DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND TO CONCEPT OF DEFENDING YOUR POSITION? Do you have any opinions that have emanated from a thinking process or are you operating on instinct alone? if you wont try and justify your position it suggests you have never even thought about why you believe it. Either tha or you are too cowardly to try. Or conversely, to inept to succeed.
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #271 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:30pm  
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:27pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
Socrates wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
Capital Punishment is a deterrent.


Stop the name calling and the obscenities and find me proof of that statement.


multiple researchers have concluded that the DP is at best no deterrent at all and in a disturbing number of states/countries has a correlation with a slight increase in violent crime.


care to prove that somehow?
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #272 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:32pm  
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:29pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:22pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:20pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:16pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:11pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:04pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:55pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
ian wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:09pm:
Lets see someone defend this pedophiles right to live amongst humans.


It is a question of society's right to kill him. I believe we have no such right.

In the case referred to, a man aged 42 has been sentenced to 40 years. If he serves his full sentence he may never be released.

Every day of the rest of his life, he can think about what he did and why he is behind bars.

Isn't that a better punishment than putting him to death?


meanwhile every day for the next 80 yrs, this kid gets to re-live everything they did to him. Nope, I still think it would be better for all concerned if they killed the bloke ... at least then the kid would know there is one monster under his bed who is never coming back.


thats already true.  again., all you want - all you DP-supporters ever want - is DEATH and BLOOD.

you cant even make a conherent cogent argument for the DP beyond bloodlust


that's exactly right, in these cases, I want blood .... I'll leave the arguments for you. By the way, I notice you avoided answering my question . If after he, or any other pedo, has served his sentence & moves in next door to your grandkids would you object?


its moot because he isnt getting out.  And I dont have the problem of a guilty conscience of executing criminals who may not all be actually guilty.  Thats a problem you refuse to address.


ahh, I notice now you keep your answer limited to him, whereas before you were worried about the innocent ... Ok, would you have been happy if Dennis Ferguson or any other pedo , upon his release from prison (and before dying), moved in next door to your grandkids?

As for the guilty conscience bullsh1t, I doubt it would bother me too much. As long as my intentions are honest, I accept that I cannot control everything and understand that mistakes are made and I am prepared to live with that.


ah the irony!  YOU are prepared to 'live with it'. Pity the poor innocent bugger executed.  As predicted, this is all about YOU and your bloodlust and has zero to do with justice of any kind.


of course it's about justice .... but you asked me to address my supposed guilty conscience ... now you want me to tell you about the victims conscience?


wow... you really dont understand arguments very well do you?


or you don't maybe understand how to present a question properly?  ... you asked about my conscience and then complain that it is about me and not the victim ... you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you? Not to worry, despite that, you still are a tool


well let me clarify it with the simple question that I can almost guarantee you wont answer directly.

What rate of error in executing the guilty are you prepared to accept and still support the death penalty?
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #273 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:32pm  
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:30pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:23pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:20pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:06pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:02pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:55pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
ian wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:09pm:
Lets see someone defend this pedophiles right to live amongst humans.


It is a question of society's right to kill him. I believe we have no such right.

In the case referred to, a man aged 42 has been sentenced to 40 years. If he serves his full sentence he may never be released.

Every day of the rest of his life, he can think about what he did and why he is behind bars.

Isn't that a better punishment than putting him to death?


meanwhile every day for the next 80 yrs, this kid gets to re-live everything they did to him. Nope, I still think it would be better for all concerned if they killed the bloke ... at least then the kid would know there is one monster under his bed who is never coming back.


Is that really the best you can come up with? That lame piece of crap? Are you so desperate to see someone die?


not someone, just a pieces of living sh1t like this bloke.

What makes you think I need to justify my position to you? I'm not trying to convince you, just don't try and convince me that pandering to these pedo's is the answer.


If you are not prepared to take a position and justify it, what the hell are you doing here? Take up lacrosse instead.


voicing my opinion .... do not kid yourself as to your importance ... I have never, nor ever will be, required to justify to you why I have any opinion on anything. If I choose to give my reasons about something I will, If I don't tough ... if you don't like it I suggest you take up lacrosse


which is part of why nobody listens to you or takes you seriously. if you want to be taken seriously anywhere you will actually have reasons - even poor ones - for the positions you hold. Otherwise you will be viewed as a bogon for whom we have contempt and pity. 

BTW it is your type that ends up executed unfairly because you are too stupid to be able to defend yourself properly.


you seriously have problems ..... are you on medication? If you didn't take what I said seriously why do you try to argue what I say ... why don't you try sticking to topic instead of trying to divert attention away from your stupidity?


DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND TO CONCEPT OF DEFENDING YOUR POSITION? Do you have any opinions that have emanated from a thinking process or are you operating on instinct alone? if you wont try and justify your position it suggests you have never even thought about why you believe it. Either tha or you are too cowardly to try. Or conversely, to inept to succeed.


I have no need to defend anything .... now answer the question, Would you be happy if a pedo, after serving his time , moved next door to your grandkids ... it's a very simple question, what are you scared off?
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #274 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:32pm  
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:26pm:
Big Dave wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:24pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:09pm:
Big Dave wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:03pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 4:13pm:
Big Dave wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 4:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 4:04pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 4:01pm:
The death penalty is a key part of a society where you must enact vengeance.

Never allow a act to go unpunished.
Never allow a act to not bring vengeance to the people wronged.

If you kill someone then you in turn must be killed.

It is the act of a just society who looks after its people.



Actually, it's the act of an extremely barbaric society fueled by vengeance instead of the desire for justice.
You get the other extreme. At the moment australia is being run by a pack of pussies who don't have the spine to mark hard decisions. People are running around laughing at our laws.



who?  Ive not heard any international mocking at all. Given that we are the most desirable location on the planet that sounds like... made-up fantasy.

They are laughing at our laws in SW Sydney. They are burning each others factories down and shooting one another. It's you that lives in the fantasy world.


the gang wars, mass murder and infernos didnt make the media. Is thatr a conspiracy of silence or is it more likely that what you are saying is just BS?

Most of the truth isn't being reported by the media. People come in from other parts of the world where the law is a bullet and they soon realise that this place is too soft. To get a jail term you almost have to murder somebody. Too many do-gooders running the judicial system.


aha... another bogan fool to simply scroll past without reading.  ring up talk-back radio instead.  they are more your speed.. dumber than snot.

Walk down George st or through the cross and a friday night you stupid do-gooder and witness first hand your law abiding nirvana. You stupid old  douche.
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #275 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:33pm  
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:29pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:22pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:20pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:16pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:11pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:04pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:55pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
ian wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:09pm:
Lets see someone defend this pedophiles right to live amongst humans.


It is a question of society's right to kill him. I believe we have no such right.

In the case referred to, a man aged 42 has been sentenced to 40 years. If he serves his full sentence he may never be released.

Every day of the rest of his life, he can think about what he did and why he is behind bars.

Isn't that a better punishment than putting him to death?


meanwhile every day for the next 80 yrs, this kid gets to re-live everything they did to him. Nope, I still think it would be better for all concerned if they killed the bloke ... at least then the kid would know there is one monster under his bed who is never coming back.


thats already true.  again., all you want - all you DP-supporters ever want - is DEATH and BLOOD.

you cant even make a conherent cogent argument for the DP beyond bloodlust


that's exactly right, in these cases, I want blood .... I'll leave the arguments for you. By the way, I notice you avoided answering my question . If after he, or any other pedo, has served his sentence & moves in next door to your grandkids would you object?


its moot because he isnt getting out.  And I dont have the problem of a guilty conscience of executing criminals who may not all be actually guilty.  Thats a problem you refuse to address.


ahh, I notice now you keep your answer limited to him, whereas before you were worried about the innocent ... Ok, would you have been happy if Dennis Ferguson or any other pedo , upon his release from prison (and before dying), moved in next door to your grandkids?

As for the guilty conscience bullsh1t, I doubt it would bother me too much. As long as my intentions are honest, I accept that I cannot control everything and understand that mistakes are made and I am prepared to live with that.


ah the irony!  YOU are prepared to 'live with it'. Pity the poor innocent bugger executed.  As predicted, this is all about YOU and your bloodlust and has zero to do with justice of any kind.


of course it's about justice .... but you asked me to address my supposed guilty conscience ... now you want me to tell you about the victims conscience?


wow... you really dont understand arguments very well do you?


or you don't maybe understand how to present a question properly?  ... you asked about my conscience and then complain that it is about me and not the victim ... you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you? Not to worry, despite that, you still are a tool


well let me clarify it with the simple question that I can almost guarantee you wont answer directly.

What rate of error in executing the guilty are you prepared to accept and still support the death penalty?


as many as it takes. you want me to present a number? that's not how it works dopey ....

as long as the system does everything it can to try and keep the number to a minimum, that is all anyone can ask
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Reply #276 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:34pm  
Vengeance is justice.

They are the same coin.
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #277 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:34pm  
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:30pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:27pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
Socrates wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
Capital Punishment is a deterrent.


Stop the name calling and the obscenities and find me proof of that statement.


multiple researchers have concluded that the DP is at best no deterrent at all and in a disturbing number of states/countries has a correlation with a slight increase in violent crime.


care to prove that somehow?


would it change anything if I did show you the research?  would you even accept it anyhow?  Or would you - as most expect - just continue on as if it hasbt been presented?

You are not concerned with the effectiveness or deterrence of the DP. you just want some people to die.  When you want to enter the debate as a serious debater on the opposite side with some actual thought-out opinions then I will respond with teh facts you claim to want to see.
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #278 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:35pm  
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:32pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:30pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:27pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:23pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:20pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:06pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:02pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:55pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
ian wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:09pm:
Lets see someone defend this pedophiles right to live amongst humans.


It is a question of society's right to kill him. I believe we have no such right.

In the case referred to, a man aged 42 has been sentenced to 40 years. If he serves his full sentence he may never be released.

Every day of the rest of his life, he can think about what he did and why he is behind bars.

Isn't that a better punishment than putting him to death?


meanwhile every day for the next 80 yrs, this kid gets to re-live everything they did to him. Nope, I still think it would be better for all concerned if they killed the bloke ... at least then the kid would know there is one monster under his bed who is never coming back.


Is that really the best you can come up with? That lame piece of crap? Are you so desperate to see someone die?


not someone, just a pieces of living sh1t like this bloke.

What makes you think I need to justify my position to you? I'm not trying to convince you, just don't try and convince me that pandering to these pedo's is the answer.


If you are not prepared to take a position and justify it, what the hell are you doing here? Take up lacrosse instead.


voicing my opinion .... do not kid yourself as to your importance ... I have never, nor ever will be, required to justify to you why I have any opinion on anything. If I choose to give my reasons about something I will, If I don't tough ... if you don't like it I suggest you take up lacrosse


which is part of why nobody listens to you or takes you seriously. if you want to be taken seriously anywhere you will actually have reasons - even poor ones - for the positions you hold. Otherwise you will be viewed as a bogon for whom we have contempt and pity. 

BTW it is your type that ends up executed unfairly because you are too stupid to be able to defend yourself properly.


you seriously have problems ..... are you on medication? If you didn't take what I said seriously why do you try to argue what I say ... why don't you try sticking to topic instead of trying to divert attention away from your stupidity?


DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND TO CONCEPT OF DEFENDING YOUR POSITION? Do you have any opinions that have emanated from a thinking process or are you operating on instinct alone? if you wont try and justify your position it suggests you have never even thought about why you believe it. Either tha or you are too cowardly to try. Or conversely, to inept to succeed.


I have no need to defend anything .... now answer the question, Would you be happy if a pedo, after serving his time , moved next door to your grandkids ... it's a very simple question, what are you scared off?


its a deflection. the topic is DP.  we can move to that topic once this one has been put to death.
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Reply #279 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:36pm  
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:30pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:27pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
Socrates wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
Capital Punishment is a deterrent.


Stop the name calling and the obscenities and find me proof of that statement.


multiple researchers have concluded that the DP is at best no deterrent at all and in a disturbing number of states/countries has a correlation with a slight increase in violent crime.


care to prove that somehow?


would it change anything if I did show you the research?  would you even accept it anyhow?  Or would you - as most expect - just continue on as if it hasbt been presented?

You are not concerned with the effectiveness or deterrence of the DP. you just want some people to die.  When you want to enter the debate as a serious debater on the opposite side with some actual thought-out opinions then I will respond with teh facts you claim to want to see.


how did I know you would try to avoid posting any evidence?

I've gotta go and put the kids to bed, I will look for your answer to my question upon my return ...

man up and answer the question you chicken sh1t
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #280 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:36pm  
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:29pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:22pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:20pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:16pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:11pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:04pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:55pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
ian wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:09pm:
Lets see someone defend this pedophiles right to live amongst humans.


It is a question of society's right to kill him. I believe we have no such right.

In the case referred to, a man aged 42 has been sentenced to 40 years. If he serves his full sentence he may never be released.

Every day of the rest of his life, he can think about what he did and why he is behind bars.

Isn't that a better punishment than putting him to death?


meanwhile every day for the next 80 yrs, this kid gets to re-live everything they did to him. Nope, I still think it would be better for all concerned if they killed the bloke ... at least then the kid would know there is one monster under his bed who is never coming back.


thats already true.  again., all you want - all you DP-supporters ever want - is DEATH and BLOOD.

you cant even make a conherent cogent argument for the DP beyond bloodlust


that's exactly right, in these cases, I want blood .... I'll leave the arguments for you. By the way, I notice you avoided answering my question . If after he, or any other pedo, has served his sentence & moves in next door to your grandkids would you object?


its moot because he isnt getting out.  And I dont have the problem of a guilty conscience of executing criminals who may not all be actually guilty.  Thats a problem you refuse to address.


ahh, I notice now you keep your answer limited to him, whereas before you were worried about the innocent ... Ok, would you have been happy if Dennis Ferguson or any other pedo , upon his release from prison (and before dying), moved in next door to your grandkids?

As for the guilty conscience bullsh1t, I doubt it would bother me too much. As long as my intentions are honest, I accept that I cannot control everything and understand that mistakes are made and I am prepared to live with that.


ah the irony!  YOU are prepared to 'live with it'. Pity the poor innocent bugger executed.  As predicted, this is all about YOU and your bloodlust and has zero to do with justice of any kind.


of course it's about justice .... but you asked me to address my supposed guilty conscience ... now you want me to tell you about the victims conscience?


wow... you really dont understand arguments very well do you?


or you don't maybe understand how to present a question properly?  ... you asked about my conscience and then complain that it is about me and not the victim ... you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you? Not to worry, despite that, you still are a tool


well let me clarify it with the simple question that I can almost guarantee you wont answer directly.

What rate of error in executing the guilty are you prepared to accept and still support the death penalty?


as many as it takes. you want me to present a number? that's not how it works dopey ....

as long as the system does everything it can to try and keep the number to a minimum, that is all anyone can ask


so if 10 people a year are executed and 3 are innocent you are okay with that?
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Reply #281 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:37pm  
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:34pm:
Vengeance is justice.

They are the same coin.


i dont think you could get a single philosopher, statesman or thinking person to agree with that. I am however poretty sure you could get a mess of criminals and terrorist who would.
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Reply #282 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:39pm  
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:34pm:
Vengeance is justice.

They are the same coin.


Thank you, Avram.

To those who claim deterrence ponder this:

Capital punishment has been used for centuries, yet the crimes which attracted it continued to be committed. Where's the deterrent?
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #283 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:43pm  
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:36pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:30pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:27pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
Socrates wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
Capital Punishment is a deterrent.


Stop the name calling and the obscenities and find me proof of that statement.


multiple researchers have concluded that the DP is at best no deterrent at all and in a disturbing number of states/countries has a correlation with a slight increase in violent crime.


care to prove that somehow?


would it change anything if I did show you the research?  would you even accept it anyhow?  Or would you - as most expect - just continue on as if it hasbt been presented?

You are not concerned with the effectiveness or deterrence of the DP. you just want some people to die.  When you want to enter the debate as a serious debater on the opposite side with some actual thought-out opinions then I will respond with teh facts you claim to want to see.


how did I know you would try to avoid posting any evidence?

I've gotta go and put the kids to bed, I will look for your answer to my question upon my return ...

man up and answer the question you chicken sh1t


its easy to prove.  THERE just isnt any point. You wouldnt believe it. If you were Ian you'd just say it was a blog or opinion etc.  Id show peter or gregory because while I disagree with them most time, they do have the ability to think. You however dont.
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #284 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:44pm  
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:39pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:34pm:
Vengeance is justice.

They are the same coin.


Thank you, Avram.

To those who claim deterrence ponder this:

Capital punishment has been used for centuries, yet the crimes which attracted it continued to be committed. Where's the deterrent?


if the DP worked i ending murder I still wouldnt support it, but at least there would be a valid argument. and that is in a nutshell the problem with the DP. It doesnt deter crime, it doesnt prevent crime and it doesnt resolve the fallout from crime. So what exactly are its merits again?
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