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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #300 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:08pm Suicide bombers is a completely different discussion. And no we will NEVER step backwards in our fight with the Arab Terrorists. But you confuse subjects here.
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Reply #301 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:09pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

As far as having a pedophile living next door, it is a sad reflection on society that a parent has to treat any stranger, and not necessarily only strangers, as potential pedophiles.

oddly enough the present obsesion with pedophiles has neither reduced nor increased the rate of sexual offending towards children. again, it is one of those offences which is part of human nature in general and not just part of the sociopath or predatory subgroups.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Big Dave Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2164 Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #302 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:11pm Longweekend need to take a bex and have a nap. The capital punishment topic is obviously too much for his emotional state to handle.
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Reply #303 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

I think you confuse 'staying on topic' with other things. The topic is the DP and desperate people like yourself always abandon the argument on principle for the argument of example. The debate is not about one pedo. it is about the DP. If you want to get responses to your posts then you might try debating the topic at hand.

Deflecting to side emotive issues might work with some people but you may have noticed (or not) that your opponents here are older, more experienced and clearly more educated and informed than most. We have our positions based on facts, experience and morality. We did not come to these positions lightly or on the basis of Ivan Milat or whoever. In short, WE THINK. You should try the same.

You are the one doing the deflecting, hurl a few more insults. Doesnt worry me. And you do not post based on experience, I know that much. I can tell you that no one who works with these types of subhumans is a DP opponent, no one.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #304 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:12pm Long weekend you yourself have not stayed on topic. You reference suicide bombers and civilian carpet bombing on a death penalty subject. I may be much younger than you but I have much life experience already. I know the subject. I have strong views of justice and vengeance sought.
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Reply #305 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:07pm:

well what about first offenders??? how does it work there?? Meagher was the result of judicial failure. But that failure is not resolved by executing all convicted rapists because the next such predator will be a first-timer. then what do you do?

Judicial failure? Youre kidding, right? Thats the way the system works, get out in the real world, these sacks of human garbage almost inevitably get out to reoffend again. And thats thanks to people like yourself who defend them.

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Reply #306 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:09pm:

oddly enough the present obsesion with pedophiles has neither reduced nor increased the rate of sexual offending towards children. again, it is one of those offences which is part of human nature in general and not just part of the sociopath or predatory subgroups.

What are you babbling about now? You really have no idea at all what you are talking about, pedophilia can not be cured, there has never, ever been one rehabilitated. You appear to be attempting to noramilse this behaviour now. A normal human response is to have empathy for children, not cause them harm.

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Reply #307 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:17pm

ian wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:07pm:

well what about first offenders??? how does it work there?? Meagher was the result of judicial failure. But that failure is not resolved by executing all convicted rapists because the next such predator will be a first-timer. then what do you do?

Judicial failure? Youre kidding, right? Thats the way the system works, get out in the real world, these sacks of human garbage almost inevitably get out to reoffend again. And thats thanks to people like yourself who defend them.

and here we have it folks! Not an argument based on logic or on positive outcomes, but an argument based on hate and frustration tinged with bloodlust. If it were not so, you would be on a thread demanding longer sentences or life without parole or something along those lines. But no, you are here demanding death therefore implying a completely different agenda - revenge and blood. Show me where I am wrong.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #308 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:19pm Id like your rationale in stating pedophilia is part of normal human behaviour thanks.
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Reply #309 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:21pm

Socrates wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Capital Punishment is a deterrent.

Incorrect.

"A report that examined the 74 studies into the the death penalty over a 51-year period found no evidence that executing offenders had a deterrent effect on crime."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/is-capital-punishment-a-deterrent/2005/12/01...

"Some studies even found the opposite - a 'brutalisation effect' - that when the state sanctions violence, levels of violence increase."

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Reply #310 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:21pm

ian wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:09pm:

oddly enough the present obsesion with pedophiles has neither reduced nor increased the rate of sexual offending towards children. again, it is one of those offences which is part of human nature in general and not just part of the sociopath or predatory subgroups.

What are you babbling about now? You really have no idea at all what you are talking about, pedophilia can not be cured, there has never, ever been one rehabilitated. You appear to be attempting to noramilse this behaviour now. A normal human response is to have empathy for children, not cause them harm.

now you are treading into my are of expertise (Psychology). Firstly there is an enormous difference between pedophilia and sex offending. The former isnt even an offence. It is a mental illness. the vast majoritt of sexual abuse of children is not done by pedophiles but by Joe and Joan Average. it occures in every society, culture, religion, social and educational strata and is unfortunately a part of the human condition. I am not trying to normalise it. I however do have an actual understanding of areas of abnormal psychology having actually published a book on one area of it.

You might try and work on your comprehension. Just because someone doesnt wish to execute a particular criminal does not mean he is sympathising. That is the view you'd expect from a bogan with a grad 5 education and married to his cousin.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #311 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:22pm ian wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:19pm: Id like your rationale in stating pedophilia is part of normal human behaviour thanks. which isnt what I said of course. But you arent that good with understanding the detail of opposing opinions.
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Reply #312 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

Socrates wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Capital Punishment is a deterrent.

Incorrect.

"A report that examined the 74 studies into the the death penalty over a 51-year period found no evidence that executing offenders had a deterrent effect on crime."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/is-capital-punishment-a-deterrent/2005/12/01...

"Some studies even found the opposite - a 'brutalisation effect' - that when the state sanctions violence, levels of violence increase."

thanks for that. I forget what the effect was called. When you devalue anyone's life, you devalue all life. When you start to kill it is hard to know when to stop and draw the line.

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Reply #313 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:26pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

Socrates wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Capital Punishment is a deterrent.

Stop the name calling and the obscenities and find me proof of that statement.

multiple researchers have concluded that the DP is at best no deterrent at all and in a disturbing number of states/countries has a correlation with a slight increase in violent crime.

care to prove that somehow?

Too easy.

"A report that examined the 74 studies into the the death penalty over a 51-year period found no evidence that executing offenders had a deterrent effect on crime."

"Some studies even found the opposite - a 'brutalisation effect' - that when the state sanctions violence, levels of violence increase."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/is-capital-punishment-a-deterrent/2005/12/01...

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Reply #314 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

ian wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 8:09pm:

oddly enough the present obsesion with pedophiles has neither reduced nor increased the rate of sexual offending towards children. again, it is one of those offences which is part of human nature in general and not just part of the sociopath or predatory subgroups.

What are you babbling about now? You really have no idea at all what you are talking about, pedophilia can not be cured, there has never, ever been one rehabilitated. You appear to be attempting to noramilse this behaviour now. A normal human response is to have empathy for children, not cause them harm.

now you are treading into my are of expertise (Psychology). Firstly there is an enormous difference between pedophilia and sex offending. The former isnt even an offence. It is a mental illness. the vast majoritt of sexual abuse of children is not done by pedophiles but by Joe and Joan Average. it occures in every society, culture, religion, social and educational strata and is unfortunately a part of the human condition. I am not trying to normalise it. I however do have an actual understanding of areas of abnormal psychology having actually published a book on one area of it.

You might try and work on your comprehension. Just because someone doesnt wish to execute a particular criminal does not mean he is sympathising. That is the view you'd expect from a bogan with a grad 5 education and married to his cousin.

It's "grade" head shrinker wannabe.

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