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Question: Do you support the death penalty?

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Reply #330 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:52pm
 
How is my country doing?

It is still there.

If we did not follow this policy it would not be.

Like I said previous you have luxuries of being soft that we do not.
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Reply #331 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:53pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:29pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:22pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:20pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:16pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:11pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:04pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:55pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
ian wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:09pm:
Lets see someone defend this pedophiles right to live amongst humans.


It is a question of society's right to kill him. I believe we have no such right.

In the case referred to, a man aged 42 has been sentenced to 40 years. If he serves his full sentence he may never be released.

Every day of the rest of his life, he can think about what he did and why he is behind bars.

Isn't that a better punishment than putting him to death?


meanwhile every day for the next 80 yrs, this kid gets to re-live everything they did to him. Nope, I still think it would be better for all concerned if they killed the bloke ... at least then the kid would know there is one monster under his bed who is never coming back.


thats already true.  again., all you want - all you DP-supporters ever want - is DEATH and BLOOD.

you cant even make a conherent cogent argument for the DP beyond bloodlust


that's exactly right, in these cases, I want blood .... I'll leave the arguments for you. By the way, I notice you avoided answering my question . If after he, or any other pedo, has served his sentence & moves in next door to your grandkids would you object?


its moot because he isnt getting out.  And I dont have the problem of a guilty conscience of executing criminals who may not all be actually guilty.  Thats a problem you refuse to address.


ahh, I notice now you keep your answer limited to him, whereas before you were worried about the innocent ... Ok, would you have been happy if Dennis Ferguson or any other pedo , upon his release from prison (and before dying), moved in next door to your grandkids?

As for the guilty conscience bullsh1t, I doubt it would bother me too much. As long as my intentions are honest, I accept that I cannot control everything and understand that mistakes are made and I am prepared to live with that.


ah the irony!  YOU are prepared to 'live with it'. Pity the poor innocent bugger executed.  As predicted, this is all about YOU and your bloodlust and has zero to do with justice of any kind.


of course it's about justice .... but you asked me to address my supposed guilty conscience ... now you want me to tell you about the victims conscience?


wow... you really dont understand arguments very well do you?


or you don't maybe understand how to present a question properly?  ... you asked about my conscience and then complain that it is about me and not the victim ... you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you? Not to worry, despite that, you still are a tool


well let me clarify it with the simple question that I can almost guarantee you wont answer directly.

What rate of error in executing the guilty are you prepared to accept and still support the death penalty?


as many as it takes. you want me to present a number? that's not how it works dopey ....

as long as the system does everything it can to try and keep the number to a minimum, that is all anyone can ask


so if 10 people a year are executed and 3 are innocent you are okay with that?


as long as everyone did everything their jobs properly, yes.
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Reply #332 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:53pm
 
Big Dave wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:42pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:39pm:
If it prevents more deaths from deterrence this is a bonus.




It doesn't.

You were wrong.

Your bloodlust fueled vengeance is not only completely disgusting, it is also preventing you from thinking clearly or presenting anything that resembles a rational argument.



I wonder how you'd feel if your daughter was raped and murdered. I bet you'd change your tune.



I'd feel terrible.

I'd want the bastard who did it to die.

However, that doesn't give me the right to kill him and it doesn't give a civilised country the right to use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a means of punishment.
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Reply #333 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:55pm
 
Socrates wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:46pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
Socrates wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
Capital Punishment is a deterrent.


Stop the name calling and the obscenities and find me proof of that statement.


You are a smug arsehole, and I don't have to find you bugger-all. Use that peanut you call a brain and do your own research.


In other words you have no proof and therefore get obscene and offensive. Fine by me.
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Reply #334 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:55pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:52pm:
How is my country doing?

It is still there.




"It is still there".

Wonderful.

You should get your tourism board to use that as its slogan.


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Reply #335 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:55pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:52pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:48pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:33pm:
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as long as the system does everything it can to try and keep the number to a minimum, that is all anyone can ask


John, you seem very keen to personalise this debate.

So tell me this:

How would you feel if your son was executed for a crime you knew he didn't commit?


pretty certain you wont get a reply to this. well not one on topic anyhow.


no, you are now confusing me with you ....I've answered everything .. it is you who tries to go of topic. My initial question was about the guy I put a link up to. You've since then moved onto the innocent, my guilt, the victims guilt, the bogans ... everything and anything to avoid answering ... and the only reason you avoid answering is because you are afraid to look like the hypocrite you are.
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Reply #336 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:56pm
 
http://deathpenaltycurriculum.org/student/c/about/arguments/argument1a.htm

NOT IN RESPONSE TO FREEDMAN.

For the information of others.


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Reply #337 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:58pm
 
We don't need slogans thank you but you understand we operate in a situation where we must carry out removals of people by the state.

Now the situation is different in Australia.
You need to follow courts etc which is the justice route and it is sensible to expect death sentences for nasty crimes.

Perfectly reasonable.
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #338 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 9:00pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:52pm:
How is my country doing?

It is still there.

If we did not follow this policy it would not be.

Like I said previous you have luxuries of being soft that we do not.

That last sentence says a hell of a lot Avram. Maybe some of these people need to leave their  cosy lives and experience how law is adaptive to how much a group of people want to remain in power. Nice words won't maintain power.
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Reply #339 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 9:01pm
 
I notice for all their talk and high and mighty attitude, the anti death penalty crusaders on here are quick to avoid answering or quick to change the line of reasoning to something else whenever they are asked something they don't like.
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Reply #340 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 9:02pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:58pm:
We don't need slogans thank you but you understand we operate in a situation where we must carry out removals of people by the state.

Now the situation is different in Australia.
You need to follow courts etc which is the justice route and it is sensible to expect death sentences for nasty crimes.

Perfectly reasonable.



No, perfectly unreasonable.

That's why we don't have the death penalty in this country.

We are (mostly) civilised people.

You could learn an awful lot from us.
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Reply #341 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 9:03pm
 
Socrates wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:56pm:
http://deathpenaltycurriculum.org/student/c/about/arguments/argument1a.htm

NOT IN RESPONSE TO FREEDMAN.

For the information of others.




I suppose it's too much to ask for longy to put up his imaginary evidence.
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Reply #342 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 9:03pm
 
I still don't know why longweekend talked of carpet bombing civilians which everyone doesn't want and then accuses another person of off topic?
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Reply #343 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 9:03pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:53pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:33pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:29pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:22pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:20pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:16pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:11pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 7:04pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:55pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
ian wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 6:09pm:
Lets see someone defend this pedophiles right to live amongst humans.


It is a question of society's right to kill him. I believe we have no such right.

In the case referred to, a man aged 42 has been sentenced to 40 years. If he serves his full sentence he may never be released.

Every day of the rest of his life, he can think about what he did and why he is behind bars.

Isn't that a better punishment than putting him to death?


meanwhile every day for the next 80 yrs, this kid gets to re-live everything they did to him. Nope, I still think it would be better for all concerned if they killed the bloke ... at least then the kid would know there is one monster under his bed who is never coming back.


thats already true.  again., all you want - all you DP-supporters ever want - is DEATH and BLOOD.

you cant even make a conherent cogent argument for the DP beyond bloodlust


that's exactly right, in these cases, I want blood .... I'll leave the arguments for you. By the way, I notice you avoided answering my question . If after he, or any other pedo, has served his sentence & moves in next door to your grandkids would you object?


its moot because he isnt getting out.  And I dont have the problem of a guilty conscience of executing criminals who may not all be actually guilty.  Thats a problem you refuse to address.


ahh, I notice now you keep your answer limited to him, whereas before you were worried about the innocent ... Ok, would you have been happy if Dennis Ferguson or any other pedo , upon his release from prison (and before dying), moved in next door to your grandkids?

As for the guilty conscience bullsh1t, I doubt it would bother me too much. As long as my intentions are honest, I accept that I cannot control everything and understand that mistakes are made and I am prepared to live with that.


ah the irony!  YOU are prepared to 'live with it'. Pity the poor innocent bugger executed.  As predicted, this is all about YOU and your bloodlust and has zero to do with justice of any kind.


of course it's about justice .... but you asked me to address my supposed guilty conscience ... now you want me to tell you about the victims conscience?


wow... you really dont understand arguments very well do you?


or you don't maybe understand how to present a question properly?  ... you asked about my conscience and then complain that it is about me and not the victim ... you're not the sharpest tool in the shed are you? Not to worry, despite that, you still are a tool


well let me clarify it with the simple question that I can almost guarantee you wont answer directly.

What rate of error in executing the guilty are you prepared to accept and still support the death penalty?


as many as it takes. you want me to present a number? that's not how it works dopey ....

as long as the system does everything it can to try and keep the number to a minimum, that is all anyone can ask


so if 10 people a year are executed and 3 are innocent you are okay with that?


as long as everyone did everything their jobs properly, yes.


Ummm, John, isn't THIS about executing the innocent? Including, possibly your own son?
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #344 - Jun 29th, 2013 at 9:04pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:53pm:
Big Dave wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:51pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:42pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 29th, 2013 at 8:39pm:
If it prevents more deaths from deterrence this is a bonus.




It doesn't.

You were wrong.

Your bloodlust fueled vengeance is not only completely disgusting, it is also preventing you from thinking clearly or presenting anything that resembles a rational argument.



I wonder how you'd feel if your daughter was raped and murdered. I bet you'd change your tune.



I'd feel terrible.

I'd want the bastard who did it to die.

However, that doesn't give me the right to kill him and it doesn't give a civilised country the right to use premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a means of punishment.

Well I feel sorry for the family who now don't have a daughter while some piece of crap still has a life after doing 10 years. The  law is losing these people.
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