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Reply #390 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:53am

LW I usually agree with your posts, especially with regards to political debate, however there are one or two occasions where i find that your views are absolutely stupid and you seem to veer over to the other sheep who have neither experience with the subject or who do not sympathise with the victims or their loved ones who are left with a lifetime of suffering, and this is one of those occasions........

The psychopaths who commit these crimes cannot be normalised and should be eradicated from society. The pedophiles plain and simply should also be eradicated, no question. The premeditated murders who plan and execute the most heinous of crimes should suffer the DP......no long terms taxpayer funded death row holiday, immediate injection. Killing of a LE Officer, police or other agencies, should be automatic DP.

Call it revenge, call it barbaric, call it what the hell you like. I consider it a very effective deterrent which saves innocent lives and delivers justice.

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Reply #391 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 10:03am

ian wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 11:27pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

Not all American states have the DP. National figures are meaningless.

Murder rates in death penalty states have been higher than in those without execution every year for at least the last twenty.

Source: www.deathpenalty.org.

Yes, but the comparison used is a states murder rates with the DP compared to another without the DP. This is meaningless Now compare the murder rates within the individual states to the number of people they execute, you will find that the more people they execute, the lower the murder rate.

How can the comparison be meaningless?

It is a clear indication that execution states have higher murder rates. To claim that is meaningless is just absurd.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #392 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 10:48am For 2011, the lat available, the murder rate for death states was 4.7, for the others 3.1. These figures are simple, clear and demonstrate the DP is no deterrent. To argue otherwise is self delusion.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104805 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #393 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 10:55am Imagine the main street of every city, with lampposts from which 100's of bad guys are hanging by ropes with signs around their necks saying what they have done: murderer, rapist, thief, pedophile, terrorist. Oh the joy for justice & a deterrent to others.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104805 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #394 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 10:55am
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Reply #395 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 10:55am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

By the way, Just to refresh your memory, last nights question ..... would you be happy for a serial pedo who was released from jail, after serving his sentence, to move next door to your grandkids ?

I don't accept the premise of your question.

Why is the "serial pedo" being released?

Don't ask me, I have no idea why they let them out .... Dennis Ferguson was a serial pedo ... and yet they let him out, Look at the Jill Meagher murderer (I know, he's not a pedo) ... 22 counts of rape and they let the fcker out ,.... it they had strung the worthless piece of sh1t up, and that woman would still be alive and her family would not be the wreck they currently are. You ask me why they let them out ... wrong person, if it was up to me these people would never get out. Lock them in a dungeon, a bucket to poo in, a bowl of slop a day and leave them to the rats , that's my other option if we can't execute them

You seem to be suggesting that there are only two options when it comes to dealing with "serial pedos": the death penalty or release from jail.

Undecided

The first question you should ask is "would you be happy for a serial pedo to be released from jail"?

Then, you can ask the second question regarding the grandkids.

(and, of course, by "serial pedo" I assume that you meant "serial sex offender")

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74534 Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #396 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 10:59am Socrates wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:53am: however there are one or two occasions where i find that your views are absolutely stupid That's how I see most of his posts Socrates .... Welcome to my world ... he makes you want to grab him by the scruff of the neck and knock some sense into him.
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Reply #397 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 11:01am

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

ian wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 11:27pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

Not all American states have the DP. National figures are meaningless.

Murder rates in death penalty states have been higher than in those without execution every year for at least the last twenty.

Source: www.deathpenalty.org.

Yes, but the comparison used is a states murder rates with the DP compared to another without the DP. This is meaningless Now compare the murder rates within the individual states to the number of people they execute, you will find that the more people they execute, the lower the murder rate.

How can the comparison be meaningless?

It is a clear indication that execution states have higher murder rates. To claim that is meaningless is just absurd.

For that to be true you would have to assume that all the states would have exactly the same murder rate if they al had the same penalties.

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Reply #398 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:08pm

Socrates wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

LW I usually agree with your posts, especially with regards to political debate, however there are one or two occasions where i find that your views are absolutely stupid and you seem to veer over to the other sheep who have neither experience with the subject or who do not sympathise with the victims or their loved ones who are left with a lifetime of suffering, and this is one of those occasions........

The psychopaths who commit these crimes cannot be normalised and should be eradicated from society. The pedophiles plain and simply should also be eradicated, no question. The premeditated murders who plan and execute the most heinous of crimes should suffer the DP......no long terms taxpayer funded death row holiday, immediate injection. Killing of a LE Officer, police or other agencies, should be automatic DP.

Call it revenge, call it barbaric, call it what the hell you like. I consider it a very effective deterrent which saves innocent lives and delivers justice.

I would call it everything you say, bar the deterrent. There is no proof of that, but plenty against it. Yet you believe it anyway.

You should change your nick. Socrates was a very wise man. You are not.

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Socrates Gold Member Offline A Dog With A Bone Posts: 583 Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #399 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:16pm When I want your opinion on anything I'll request it. That, you opinionated clown will not happen, so shut the bugger up!
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Reply #400 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:28pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

Socrates wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:53am:

LW I usually agree with your posts, especially with regards to political debate, however there are one or two occasions where i find that your views are absolutely stupid and you seem to veer over to the other sheep who have neither experience with the subject or who do not sympathise with the victims or their loved ones who are left with a lifetime of suffering, and this is one of those occasions........

The psychopaths who commit these crimes cannot be normalised and should be eradicated from society. The pedophiles plain and simply should also be eradicated, no question. The premeditated murders who plan and execute the most heinous of crimes should suffer the DP......no long terms taxpayer funded death row holiday, immediate injection. Killing of a LE Officer, police or other agencies, should be automatic DP.

Call it revenge, call it barbaric, call it what the hell you like. I consider it a very effective deterrent which saves innocent lives and delivers justice.

I would call it everything you say, bar the deterrent. There is no proof of that, but plenty against it. Yet you believe it anyway.

You should change your nick. Socrates was a very wise man. You are not.

I had always assumed he was just being ironic.

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Reply #401 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:31pm

ian wrote on Jun 29^th, 2013 at 11:23pm:

Interestingly enough, the violent crime statistics in the US have been trending down since the 80's. This directly corresponds to the number of executions which have followed an upward trend since that time. It pretty well puts to rest any argument that the DP corresponds to an actual increase in crime.

pity that what you say is complete BS. And unsupported, of course.

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Reply #402 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:33pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

so you arent really that interested in justice then are you. Just as long as some people die you are happy. Their guilt or innocence is not of great concern to you.thanks for proving my point which is that bloodlust is the central driver for DP proponents

See there you go with your stupid statements again. The death penalty is justice dopey. And I only support the death penalty on the guilty. I do not propose we hang the innocent so stop trying to make it about something its not. It's not about bloodlust, its about JUSTICE. Real justice, not this take them to a shrink, give a tablet and a good lecture and make them promise not to do it again. The only point proven is that you are incapable of sticking to topic and you would rather go on a rant about me than answer basic questions.

By the way, Just to refresh your memory, last nights question ..... would you be happy for a serial pedo who was released from jail, after serving his sentence, to move next door to your grandkids ?

actually, that is not true. You have only scant interest in avoiding executing the innocent and as long as 'every tries real hard' you are happy for the innocent to be executed along with the guilty.

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Reply #403 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:34pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 10:48am:

For 2011, the lat available, the murder rate for death states was 4.7, for the others 3.1.

These figures are simple, clear and demonstrate the DP is no deterrent. To argue otherwise is self delusion.

Nice twist, but as i stated previously you need to compare DP and murder rates withing individual states to have any relevance. There may be any number of other factors why states have a high mruder rate, increased access to firearms, etc. And as I also stated previously, when you compare DP rates to murder rates within individual states, the rising number of exectutions corresponds directly to a lower rate of homicide which is why overall US homicide and crime rate is trending down.

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Reply #404 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

so you arent really that interested in justice then are you. Just as long as some people die you are happy. Their guilt or innocence is not of great concern to you.thanks for proving my point which is that bloodlust is the central driver for DP proponents

See there you go with your stupid statements again. The death penalty is justice dopey. And I only support the death penalty on the guilty. I do not propose we hang the innocent so stop trying to make it about something its not. It's not about bloodlust, its about JUSTICE. Real justice, not this take them to a shrink, give a tablet and a good lecture and make them promise not to do it again. The only point proven is that you are incapable of sticking to topic and you would rather go on a rant about me than answer basic questions.

By the way, Just to refresh your memory, last nights question ..... would you be happy for a serial pedo who was released from jail, after serving his sentence, to move next door to your grandkids ?

actually, that is not true. You have only scant interest in avoiding executing the innocent and as long as 'every tries real hard' you are happy for the innocent to be executed along with the guilty.

you wouldn't know the truth if it fell on you. Are you going to answer my question or are you still running?

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