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Reply #435 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

Tell me why you would expect an act to go unavenged?

I don't understand why you would accept it.

I don't understand you. Seriously.

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it was one of the more deeply disturbing posts. Ian is an idiot and John Smith is just an angry old fart but this... this is an insight into why the M/E will always be a toilet-hole. No one from either side has the slightest notion of value of life and as for forgiveness??? the concept is virtually unknown. And to think that Jesus - history's greatest exponent of forgiveness came from that country.

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Reply #437 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

And I think that draws this year's annual DP debate to a close with the pro-DP section predictably immolating themselves on a pyre of bloodlust and revenge and intellectual paucity.

It was rather easy to be honest.

Yes, I think we are done. At least someone is done. Thank you, longy and others for an interesting debate.

The attitude of some on this topic is a timely reminder that often civilisation is only skin deep. With others it doesn't even reach that far.

Thank you, linesmen, thank you, ball boys.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137527 Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #438 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:42pm .
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Reply #439 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:25am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

Tell me why you would expect an act to go unavenged?

I don't understand why you would accept it.

I don't understand you. Seriously.

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No you dont. But Avram does what men do and you do whatever you do.

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Reply #440 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:30am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

Tell me why you would expect an act to go unavenged?

I don't understand why you would accept it.

I don't understand you. Seriously.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3miagOo741rv92kwo1_500.gif

it was one of the more deeply disturbing posts. I[highlight]an is an idiot[/highlight] and John Smith is just an angry old fart but this... this is an insight into why the M/E will always be a toilet-hole. No one from either side has the slightest notion of value of life and as for forgiveness??? the concept is virtually unknown. And to think that Jesus - history's greatest exponent of forgiveness came from that country.

And yet I refuted every single fabricated statistic and claim you came up with. You were beaten by an idiot. Doesnt make you very clever does it now? Anyway, thats Mister idiot to you.

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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #441 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 8:21am What a pack of IGNORANT brbarivk BASTARDS you all are.
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #442 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:00am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

So in the end what do we have here?

We have John Smith who believes passionately in exeucting criminals but with not a lot of problems with the innocent being caught up in the hangmans noose as well

We have Ian who reject all evidence contrary to his opinion and while he states that no innocent should ever be executed he has this quaint belief that an error-free death penalty is possible because of 'dna and forensics'.

We have Avram who seems to believe in vengeance for everything and seems quite happy for the innocent to die along with the guilty. Worst point of course is that this beleif applies to arabs not jews. (and I am an Israel supporter)

We have incontrovertible evidence that not only is the DP not a deterrent but seems to increase the rate of violent crime.

The argument about 'protecting soceiety from recidivist criminals' always fails because the option of life without parole exists. But then there isnt the joy of killing someone.

so in short, there is no reason, no justification and no positive outcome for the DP. On the other hand there is the guaranteed execution of innocent people and an increase in violent crime. And thats before we even begin to discuss the moral ambiguity of the state killing someone.

so, bloodlusting DP proponents... tell me again why the DP is good. Do a pro and con analysis of it. See if you can even make a half-decent case.

I tip you will ignore all the above and go back to Milat, Ferguson or whoever and reduce the debate to your own pitiful arguments-by-example rather than an argument on principle.

over to you bloodlusters!

Firstly longstupidone, where have I ever said I have no problem with innocents being caught up? Do you have to twist what I say to try to make your point valid? You asked me if I would feel guilty ... I answered no. There is a difference.

Secondly, you said 'reduce the debate to your own pitiful arguments-by-example rather than an argument on principle' .... that's as close as you've ever come to actually understanding it. The fact that you did so by accident and probably haven't even realised shows what a fool you are. The death penalty should be looked at on a case by case basis. Not as a matter of principle. Principles have nothing to do with justice.

Principles have nothing to do with justice??? that comment alone invalidates EVERYTHING you have to say on the topic!

unbelievably stupid.

No, what is unbelievably stupid is some hick poster thinking he gets to dictate what is and isn't a valid comment.. ..... you failed another one dopey. Stick to Evian, I only hope you have some idea what you are doing there.

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Reply #443 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:06am

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

So in the end what do we have here?

We have John Smith who believes passionately in exeucting criminals but with not a lot of problems with the innocent being caught up in the hangmans noose as well

We have Ian who reject all evidence contrary to his opinion and while he states that no innocent should ever be executed he has this quaint belief that an error-free death penalty is possible because of 'dna and forensics'.

We have Avram who seems to believe in vengeance for everything and seems quite happy for the innocent to die along with the guilty. Worst point of course is that this beleif applies to arabs not jews. (and I am an Israel supporter)

We have incontrovertible evidence that not only is the DP not a deterrent but seems to increase the rate of violent crime.

The argument about 'protecting soceiety from recidivist criminals' always fails because the option of life without parole exists. But then there isnt the joy of killing someone.

so in short, there is no reason, no justification and no positive outcome for the DP. On the other hand there is the guaranteed execution of innocent people and an increase in violent crime. And thats before we even begin to discuss the moral ambiguity of the state killing someone.

so, bloodlusting DP proponents... tell me again why the DP is good. Do a pro and con analysis of it. See if you can even make a half-decent case.

I tip you will ignore all the above and go back to Milat, Ferguson or whoever and reduce the debate to your own pitiful arguments-by-example rather than an argument on principle.

over to you bloodlusters!

Firstly longstupidone, where have I ever said I have no problem with innocents being caught up? Do you have to twist what I say to try to make your point valid? You asked me if I would feel guilty ... I answered no. There is a difference.

Secondly, you said 'reduce the debate to your own pitiful arguments-by-example rather than an argument on principle' .... that's as close as you've ever come to actually understanding it. The fact that you did so by accident and probably haven't even realised shows what a fool you are. The death penalty should be looked at on a case by case basis. Not as a matter of principle. Principles have nothing to do with justice.

Principles have nothing to do with justice??? that comment alone invalidates EVERYTHING you have to say on the topic!

unbelievably stupid.

No, what is unbelievably stupid is some hick poster thinking he gets to dictate what is and isn't a valid comment.. ..... you failed another one dopey. Stick to Evian, I only hope you have some idea what you are doing there.

do you even know what a principle is??? In this context it is the guiding rules and laws we apply to anyone regardless of race colour creed or.. offence.

you really are an ill-informed moron.

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #444 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:14am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

Tell me why you would expect an act to go unavenged?

I don't understand why you would accept it.

I don't understand you. Seriously.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3miagOo741rv92kwo1_500.gif

it was one of the more deeply disturbing posts. Ian is an idiot and John Smith is just an angry old fart but this... this is an insight into why the M/E will always be a toilet-hole. No one from either side has the slightest notion of value of life and as for forgiveness??? the concept is virtually unknown. And to think that Jesus - history's greatest exponent of forgiveness came from that country.

Every time you open your mouth you continually prove what a terrible judge of anything you are ....

I am neither angry nor old, you geriatric fool. Not unless you consider early 40's old ....

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #445 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:18am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:06am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

So in the end what do we have here?

We have John Smith who believes passionately in exeucting criminals but with not a lot of problems with the innocent being caught up in the hangmans noose as well

We have Ian who reject all evidence contrary to his opinion and while he states that no innocent should ever be executed he has this quaint belief that an error-free death penalty is possible because of 'dna and forensics'.

We have Avram who seems to believe in vengeance for everything and seems quite happy for the innocent to die along with the guilty. Worst point of course is that this beleif applies to arabs not jews. (and I am an Israel supporter)

We have incontrovertible evidence that not only is the DP not a deterrent but seems to increase the rate of violent crime.

The argument about 'protecting soceiety from recidivist criminals' always fails because the option of life without parole exists. But then there isnt the joy of killing someone.

so in short, there is no reason, no justification and no positive outcome for the DP. On the other hand there is the guaranteed execution of innocent people and an increase in violent crime. And thats before we even begin to discuss the moral ambiguity of the state killing someone.

so, bloodlusting DP proponents... tell me again why the DP is good. Do a pro and con analysis of it. See if you can even make a half-decent case.

I tip you will ignore all the above and go back to Milat, Ferguson or whoever and reduce the debate to your own pitiful arguments-by-example rather than an argument on principle.

over to you bloodlusters!

Firstly longstupidone, where have I ever said I have no problem with innocents being caught up? Do you have to twist what I say to try to make your point valid? You asked me if I would feel guilty ... I answered no. There is a difference.

Secondly, you said 'reduce the debate to your own pitiful arguments-by-example rather than an argument on principle' .... that's as close as you've ever come to actually understanding it. The fact that you did so by accident and probably haven't even realised shows what a fool you are. The death penalty should be looked at on a case by case basis. Not as a matter of principle. Principles have nothing to do with justice.

Principles have nothing to do with justice??? that comment alone invalidates EVERYTHING you have to say on the topic!

unbelievably stupid.

No, what is unbelievably stupid is some hick poster thinking he gets to dictate what is and isn't a valid comment.. ..... you failed another one dopey. Stick to Evian, I only hope you have some idea what you are doing there.

do you even know what a principle is??? In this context it is the guiding rules and laws we apply to anyone regardless of race colour creed or.. offence.

you really are an ill-informed moron.

yes dopey, your problem is that your principles don't mean sh1t to me ......

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #446 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:26am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:18pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 5:40pm:

Tell me why you would expect an act to go unavenged?

I don't understand why you would accept it.

I don't understand you. Seriously.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3miagOo741rv92kwo1_500.gif

it was one of the more deeply disturbing posts. Ian is an idiot and John Smith is just an angry old fart but this... this is an insight into why the M/E will always be a toilet-hole. No one from either side has the slightest notion of value of life and as for forgiveness??? the concept is virtually unknown. And to think that Jesus - history's greatest exponent of forgiveness came from that country.

Yes, many of his posts are quite disturbing. As you've said: no value of human life and absolutely no idea of forgiveness. Hopefully his time in Australia will help him realise that's there's more to life than hate and vengeance.

And good old ian: he's a strange one, that's for sure. Despite being proven wrong on just about every point (in every argument, on every thread in this forum) he still maintains that black is white and white is black. His opinion is "fact" and every real fact in the world is merely "opinion". Quite an extraordinary fellow.

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #447 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:04am Find me some more of my "disturbing" posts. I have a support for the death penalty as a just act of ensuring further people are not killed. I do not see that as disturbing at all.
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Reply #448 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:13am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:04am:

Find me some more of my "disturbing" posts.

"Death penalty provides vengeance and justice."

"Never let a act go unavenged."

"Vengeance is not disgusting but it is natural justice of correcting a wrong."

"However my views on death penalty and necessary vengeance ?"

"Every act shall be avenged."

"The principle of vengeance is the same all over the world."

"Tell me why you would expect an act to go unavenged? I don't understand why you would accept it."

Deeply, deeply disturbing.

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Reply #449 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:18am

Not disturbing at all.

1973 - Operation Wrath of God -

Several hours before each assassination, each target's family received flowers with a condolence card reading: "A reminder we do not forget or forgive."

"They will look over their shoulders every day and night of their lives. They will run. They will hide. But we are coming. These deaths will be avenged and they will pay with their blood."

Golda Meir, Prime Minister

Greggerypeccary - when you have seen 6m of your people murdered, when you have seen your lives attacked, when you have seen your families killed.
Maybe they you will understand we do not have your luxuries of sitting in your home in australia shaking your head and asking for forgiveness.

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