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Reply #45 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:13pm

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The justice system is not about vengeance or "closure" for the victim's family.

Good grief, you really are out of touch with modern trends, Peter.

'Victim Impact Statements' have been a feature of our criminal courts for quite some years now. It's suppose to help give some measure of closure and catharsis for the families of victims of brutal murders and suchlike.

And needless to say, 'vengeance' is still very much a valid part of today's concept of jurisprudence. Punishment is still thought to be a reasonable response to those who commit crimes upon the individual and society in general.

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No nation that practises judicial murder is truly civilised.

Oh come on! You got that out of a Fortune Cookie didn't you? I got mine out of one of those pull-the-ends firecrackers at a party not so long ago.

Your use of the term 'murder' in this context does nothing but demonstrate that being on shaky ground you need to employ the sort of language that will appeal to the Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder crowd up in the peanut gallery.

What do you say about 'military murder'? Used to throw red paint at our soldiers returning from Vietnam, did you?

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Every time there is a particularly nasty killing, the "hang 'em high" mob crawl out of their holes to vent their blood lust.

Is aboriginal 'payback' okay with you? Not a problem in THEIR case ... ?

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Reply #46 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:18pm

brumbie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

brumbie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

My opinion has always been that premeditated state-sanctioned killing is not an acceptable form of punishment.

I accept your right to have this opinion. In the final washup it really doesn't matter what happens to these serial killers and serial rapists ~~ the damage has already been done.

But then again, I'm drawn to the fact that the surviving families of these murder and rape victims need to feel that society has a justice system that does not allow for leniency and compassion towards these perpetrators.

The only closure the immediate family of murder victims have is when the perpetrator dies. For as long as the serial killer and rapists are alive and enjoying the comforts and entertainments found in prisons, the family members of the deceased are in a limbo of unresolved grieving and bereavement.

What an extraordinary generalisation. How can you claim to know what is in the mind of every family member of every murder victim?

The justice system is not about vengeance or "closure" for the victim's family.

No nation that practises judicial murder is truly civilised.

Every time there is a particularly nasty killing, the "hang 'em high" mob crawl out of their holes to vent their blood lust.

Then they crawl back in till the next time.

A bit like the Anti Gun Lobbyists after the latest school massacre in the Usa you mean?

Absolutely nothing like the "Anti Gun Lobbyists after the latest school massacre in the Usa".

Anti-gun lobbyists want to see the killing stop.

The "hang 'em high" mob want to see the killing continue.

See if you can spot the difference.

I did spot the difference...I was kinda wondering if you did

Absolutely.

Anti-gun lobby = good citizens.

Hang 'em high mob = irrational blood thirsty sheep.

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Reply #47 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:20pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

'Victim Impact Statements' have been a feature of our criminal courts for quite some years now. It's suppose to help give some measure of closure and catharsis for the families of victims of brutal murders and suchlike.

Persisting with these ridiculous Oprah words does absolutely nothing for your credibility.

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Reply #49 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 6:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 5:21pm:

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200 people set free from death row by Project INnocence in only 13 years indicates that justice has a funny way of getting it wrong and the DP makes correcting those mistakes impossible.

The Devil is in the detail.

State governors in the US often release prisoners from death row as part of their platform promises in their re-election campaigns.

But I agree that if 'Reasonable doubt' can be proved - then okay, release them from death row. But bear in mind that a high percentage of these death row inmates had former convictions a mile long of rape and theft and drug dealing.

They are no saints.

I've never seen anyone claim that people on death row are saints.

actually a surprising number have no criminal record at all. Not that it should matter. Guilt should be proven not inferred or expected. No wonder you like the death penaly. You ahve an appalling concept of justice.

You got the wrong person.

I am totally against the death penalty.

sorry... was referring to Herbert via your quote of his stilliness.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #50 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:43pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

Peter:
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The justice system is not about vengeance or "closure" for the victim's family.

Good grief, you really are out of touch with modern trends, Peter.

'Victim Impact Statements' have been a feature of our criminal courts for quite some years now. It's suppose to help give some measure of closure and catharsis for the families of victims of brutal murders and suchlike.

And needless to say, 'vengeance' is still very much a valid part of today's concept of jurisprudence. Punishment is still thought to be a reasonable response to those who commit crimes upon the individual and society in general.

Peter: Quote:

No nation that practises judicial murder is truly civilised.

Oh come on! You got that out of a Fortune Cookie didn't you? I got mine out of one of those pull-the-ends firecrackers at a party not so long ago.

Your use of the term 'murder' in this context does nothing but demonstrate that being on shaky ground you need to employ the sort of language that will appeal to the Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder crowd up in the peanut gallery.

What do you say about 'military murder'? Used to throw red paint at our soldiers returning from Vietnam, did you?

Peter: Quote:

Every time there is a particularly nasty killing, the "hang 'em high" mob crawl out of their holes to vent their blood lust.

Is aboriginal 'payback' okay with you? Not a problem in THEIR case ... ?

damn,. you are dumb. are you SOB?? vengeance is NOT a part of our judicial system. IN fact, it is specifically NOT about vengeance.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #51 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:50pm

brumbie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

Give me one link where it has been proved that sheep are irrational and blood thirsty.HahHaHa...see you can't can you?...hahahaha...guess who i am...hahaha...seriously i'm a lefterd hahaha.

"SHEEP: 1. A group of people who lack the capacity for careful consideration, imagination, or individual thought ... "

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sheep

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Reply #52 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:50pm:

brumbie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

Give me one link where it has been proved that sheep are irrational and blood thirsty.HahHaHa...see you can't can you?...hahahaha...guess who i am...hahaha...seriously i'm a lefterd hahaha.

"SHEEP: 1. A group of people who lack the capacity for careful consideration, imagination, or individual thought ... "

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sheep

NOW you want to use a dictionary????

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #53 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:57pm

This Ozpolitic board seems to have a bad problem with swarms of delinquent pests who very quickly invade and overwhelm new threads that show some promise for having a decent discussion.

I would have a segregated area of the board where certain members are banned from participating.

It really is becoming apparent to me that I'm wasting my time here. There are some good posters here, but the graffiti hooligans win the day, most days.

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Reply #54 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 9:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:50pm:

brumbie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

Give me one link where it has been proved that sheep are irrational and blood thirsty.HahHaHa...see you can't can you?...hahahaha...guess who i am...hahaha...seriously i'm a lefterd hahaha.

"SHEEP: 1. A group of people who lack the capacity for careful consideration, imagination, or individual thought ... "

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sheep

NOW you want to use a dictionary????

We're not discussing legislation.

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Reply #55 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 9:07pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

This Ozpolitic board seems to have a bad problem with swarms of delinquent pests who very quickly invade and overwhelm new threads that show some promise for having a decent discussion.

I would have a segregated area of the board where certain members are banned from participating.

It really is becoming apparent to me that I'm wasting my time here. There are some good posters here, but the graffiti hooligans win the day, most days.

Yes, you are Herbert, and you are also wasting your time by duplicating Threads on issues done and dusted a zillion times here. It was not so long ago I recall trying to inform you how absurd it was to attempt to credibly draw an analogy between the administration of justice and the administration of a War.

You are a troll of the most obvious kind, one I'd like to buy at my price and sell at yours.

Cheers.

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Reply #56 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 9:11pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 9:07pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

This Ozpolitic board seems to have a bad problem with swarms of delinquent pests who very quickly invade and overwhelm new threads that show some promise for having a decent discussion.

I would have a segregated area of the board where certain members are banned from participating.

It really is becoming apparent to me that I'm wasting my time here. There are some good posters here, but the graffiti hooligans win the day, most days.

Yes, you are Herbert, and you are also wasting your time by duplicating Threads on issues done and dusted a zillion times here. It was not so long ago I recall trying to inform you how absurd it was to attempt to credibly draw an analogy between the administration of justice and the administration of a War.

You are a troll of the most obvious kind, one I'd like to buy at my price and sell at yours.

Cheers.

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Reply #57 - Jun 27^th, 2013 at 10:51pm

an eye for an eye. We need to bring this form of justice back and force the poofs who think its "socially unacceptable" to watch the executions. Singapore has a very low crime rate, they have got it right. Execute the drug dealers and use the bamboo cane for minor offences such as littering and offensive behaviour.

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Reply #58 - Jun 28^th, 2013 at 6:20am

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:43pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

Peter:
Quote:

The justice system is not about vengeance or "closure" for the victim's family.

Good grief, you really are out of touch with modern trends, Peter.

'Victim Impact Statements' have been a feature of our criminal courts for quite some years now. It's suppose to help give some measure of closure and catharsis for the families of victims of brutal murders and suchlike.

And needless to say, 'vengeance' is still very much a valid part of today's concept of jurisprudence. Punishment is still thought to be a reasonable response to those who commit crimes upon the individual and society in general.

Peter: Quote:

No nation that practises judicial murder is truly civilised.

Oh come on! You got that out of a Fortune Cookie didn't you? I got mine out of one of those pull-the-ends firecrackers at a party not so long ago.

Your use of the term 'murder' in this context does nothing but demonstrate that being on shaky ground you need to employ the sort of language that will appeal to the Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder crowd up in the peanut gallery.

What do you say about 'military murder'? Used to throw red paint at our soldiers returning from Vietnam, did you?

Peter: Quote:

Every time there is a particularly nasty killing, the "hang 'em high" mob crawl out of their holes to vent their blood lust.

Is aboriginal 'payback' okay with you? Not a problem in THEIR case ... ?

damn,. you are dumb. are you SOB?? vengeance is NOT a part of our judicial system. IN fact, it is specifically NOT about vengeance.

So anyone that disagrees with you is me now? You are seriously stupid

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Reply #59 - Jun 28^th, 2013 at 6:22am

ian wrote on Jun 27^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

an eye for an eye. We need to bring this form of justice back and force the poofs who think its "socially unacceptable" to watch the executions. Singapore has a very low crime rate, they have got it right. Execute the drug dealers and use the bamboo cane for minor offences such as littering and offensive behaviour.

Yet i expect you are one of those ppl that thinks some muslim countries are subhuman for doing just that

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