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Reply #585 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:50pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:40pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:01pm:

... we'll just go ahead and assassinate young girls dancing in the rain - while wearing their mandatory religious coverings.

I'm not sure why you support something like that.

You are one very sick puppy.

Get some help.

Out of context - and obviously irony is something grammar used to do.

Have a nice day.

You made your point very, very poorly Mt Endreiss, so much so that Mr Peccary was unable to see that you were actually in agreement with him. You were in agreement with him, weren't you?

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Reply #587 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:31am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:30pm:

We seem to have moved far from the original topic, but that's not unusual.

As a man of Jewish heritage I take great pride in much of what my people have done. The transformation of barren country into a green, productive land and a thriving democracy, is a marvellous achievement.

But I am ashamed of the Israeli attitude to Palestine. And I am disgusted by the cries for vengeance typified by Avram Horowitz.

Both sides desperately need leaders of Gandhi-like qualities, men who see beyond the insane cries for revenge and find a way for both peoples to live beside each other in peace and brotherhood.

Thanks Peter, for putting my clumsy thoughts into a easily understood post.
Agree on all points

ditto. the trouble is while there is little chance of a peace-seeking Israeli, there is ZERO chance of a pan-arabic statesman genuinely wanting peace. it is not the formula for peace.

My 25 comments are ignored stating I am the new generation who supports peace.

Maybe because every post talks about killing and vengeance. Your words say violence yet you want to be thought of as peaceful. It does not compute!

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #588 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:08am

Aussie wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:05pm:

In fact, just so you know in fairness to you, I have said here and elsewhere loud and long that creating an artificial State for a gathering of people of one faith was a mistake, one the Planet will pay for dearly sooner or later.

All nation states are artificial, borders move, ethnicity changes, political allegiances ebb and flow, why should israel be held to a different standard than the rest of us?

And as for gathering people of one faith, having a bunch of christians lob in to sydney harbour fill that requirement too, are you demanding we and many other people leave where we are or are you only demanding the Jews bugger off from their homeland.

I wouldn't get all finger pointy if I were you.

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Reply #589 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:14am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:31am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:30pm:

We seem to have moved far from the original topic, but that's not unusual.

As a man of Jewish heritage I take great pride in much of what my people have done. The transformation of barren country into a green, productive land and a thriving democracy, is a marvellous achievement.

But I am ashamed of the Israeli attitude to Palestine. And I am disgusted by the cries for vengeance typified by Avram Horowitz.

Both sides desperately need leaders of Gandhi-like qualities, men who see beyond the insane cries for revenge and find a way for both peoples to live beside each other in peace and brotherhood.

Thanks Peter, for putting my clumsy thoughts into a easily understood post.
Agree on all points

ditto. the trouble is while there is little chance of a peace-seeking Israeli, there is ZERO chance of a pan-arabic statesman genuinely wanting peace. it is not the formula for peace.

My 25 comments are ignored stating I am the new generation who supports peace.

Maybe because every post talks about killing and vengeance.

He's obsessed with vengeance.

"Death penalty provides vengeance and justice."

"Never let a act go unavenged."

"Vengeance is not disgusting but it is natural justice of correcting a wrong."

"However my views on death penalty and necessary vengeance ?"

"Every act shall be avenged."

"The principle of vengeance is the same all over the world."

"Tell me why you would expect an act to go unavenged? I don't understand why you would accept it."

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Reply #590 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:40am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:31am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:30pm:

We seem to have moved far from the original topic, but that's not unusual.

As a man of Jewish heritage I take great pride in much of what my people have done. The transformation of barren country into a green, productive land and a thriving democracy, is a marvellous achievement.

But I am ashamed of the Israeli attitude to Palestine. And I am disgusted by the cries for vengeance typified by Avram Horowitz.

Both sides desperately need leaders of Gandhi-like qualities, men who see beyond the insane cries for revenge and find a way for both peoples to live beside each other in peace and brotherhood.

Thanks Peter, for putting my clumsy thoughts into a easily understood post.
Agree on all points

ditto. the trouble is while there is little chance of a peace-seeking Israeli, there is ZERO chance of a pan-arabic statesman genuinely wanting peace. it is not the formula for peace.

My 25 comments are ignored stating I am the new generation who supports peace.

Maybe because every post talks about killing and vengeance. Your words say violence yet you want to be thought of as peaceful. It does not compute!

Ready for peace. Prepared for war.

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Reply #591 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:58am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:31am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:30pm:

We seem to have moved far from the original topic, but that's not unusual.

As a man of Jewish heritage I take great pride in much of what my people have done. The transformation of barren country into a green, productive land and a thriving democracy, is a marvellous achievement.

But I am ashamed of the Israeli attitude to Palestine. And I am disgusted by the cries for vengeance typified by Avram Horowitz.

Both sides desperately need leaders of Gandhi-like qualities, men who see beyond the insane cries for revenge and find a way for both peoples to live beside each other in peace and brotherhood.

Thanks Peter, for putting my clumsy thoughts into a easily understood post.
Agree on all points

ditto. the trouble is while there is little chance of a peace-seeking Israeli, there is ZERO chance of a pan-arabic statesman genuinely wanting peace. it is not the formula for peace.

My 25 comments are ignored stating I am the new generation who supports peace.

Maybe because every post talks about killing and vengeance. Your words say violence yet you want to be thought of as peaceful. It does not compute!

Ready for peace.

Hardly.

"Never let a act go unavenged."

"Vengeance is not disgusting but it is natural justice of correcting a wrong."

"Every act shall be avenged."

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #592 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:18am There is no difference in being ready for peace and not prepared to accept attacks on your people. You can be ready to deal for peace and at same time stand strong vs. terrorism. A attack on one Jew is a attack on us all.
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Reply #593 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:23am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:31am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:30pm:

We seem to have moved far from the original topic, but that's not unusual.

As a man of Jewish heritage I take great pride in much of what my people have done. The transformation of barren country into a green, productive land and a thriving democracy, is a marvellous achievement.

But I am ashamed of the Israeli attitude to Palestine. And I am disgusted by the cries for vengeance typified by Avram Horowitz.

Both sides desperately need leaders of Gandhi-like qualities, men who see beyond the insane cries for revenge and find a way for both peoples to live beside each other in peace and brotherhood.

Thanks Peter, for putting my clumsy thoughts into a easily understood post.
Agree on all points

ditto. the trouble is while there is little chance of a peace-seeking Israeli, there is ZERO chance of a pan-arabic statesman genuinely wanting peace. it is not the formula for peace.

My 25 comments are ignored stating I am the new generation who supports peace.

Maybe because every post talks about killing and vengeance. Your words say violence yet you want to be thought of as peaceful. It does not compute!

Ready for peace. Prepared for war.

'Killing for peace'

Should be your national slogan. Definitely should be your personal one.

I understand defence. I understand deterrence. But it appears you relish too much the killing and show such little regard for innocents caught up in it.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #594 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:31am

There is no enjoyment of killing (if i have read relish correctly the term relish).

I myself have always always always tried to avoid cross firing of civilians and innocents of course.

I dont know why you say this otherwise.

You can be prepared for peace, be strong for war and make the situation as safe for your people as you can.

This should be a lesson for everyone. Look after your people and do the right thing for them.

Death penalty for me is a very important aspect of safety in the community and just retribution for crimes committed.
Not innocents at all.

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Reply #595 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:48am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:31am:

There is no enjoyment of killing (if i have read relish correctly the term relish).

I myself have always always always tried to avoid cross firing of civilians and innocents of course.

I dont know why you say this otherwise.

You can be prepared for peace, be strong for war and make the situation as safe for your people as you can.

This should be a lesson for everyone. Look after your people and do the right thing for them.

Death penalty for me is a very important aspect of safety in the community and just retribution for crimes committed.
Not innocents at all.

as has been stated time and time again, it is not possible for the DP to be applied without error. That is one of is major objections. And given that it INCREASES violent crime slightly it is hardly a public safety policy.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #596 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:54am of course there are errors. But i accept this is as part of it and the state must make sure it does not make too many of them.
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Reply #597 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:00pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:31am:

There is no enjoyment of killing (if i have read relish correctly the term relish).

I myself have always always always tried to avoid cross firing of civilians and innocents of course.

I dont know why you say this otherwise.
You can be prepared for peace, be strong for war and make the situation as safe for your people as you can.

This should be a lesson for everyone. Look after your people and do the right thing for them.

Death penalty for me is a very important aspect of safety in the community and just retribution for crimes committed.
Not innocents at all.

They say this because they have a pretty p1ss weak argument otherwise.

Remember neither of these two have suffered any real adversity and this extended softness has allowed them to see the world as right (everything they say and believe) and wrong (anyone who doesn't agree with them).

Anyone who believes if Israel stopped actively defending itself would cause the arab states to drop their grudges and embrace your act of openness (weakness). There would be tanks rolling across the desert within weeks to eliminate Israel.

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Reply #598 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:06pm

bigol - i have seen ak47 fire land just 1m in front of me.

i have seen a petrol bomb land and catch my boot on fire.

i have seen crowds try to draw us in to come into the line of the snipers in the high rises.

My views come from these experiences. My views come from my people's experiences.

My views are if these people - and i speak of any here - want to kill people then they themselves are to be removed.
They make the choice.

My opinions on death penalty is the same as the security of my land - which longweekend has bringed this point into it - even though it does not have 100% relevance.

The situation for me -

death penalty - if you take someone life, you yourself lose your right to live.

security at home - strong position, strong defence. Offer peace, offer friendship. If they want peace we want it too. If they want war and aggression - let them bring it and we will beat them again.

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Reply #599 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:17pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:54am:

of course there are errors.

But i accept this is as part of it and the state must make sure it does not make too many of them.

so it is okay for you that innocent people are executed as long as everyone 'tries real hard'? But by your own logic that every evil must be avenged then arent the family of the wrongly executed perfectly within their rights to kill the prosecutor, judge and jury as well as the actual executioner? That is the message you are giving.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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