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Reply #600 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 2:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:17pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:54am:

of course there are errors.

But i accept this is as part of it and the state must make sure it does not make too many of them.

so it is okay for you that innocent people are executed as long as everyone 'tries real hard'? But by your own logic that every evil must be avenged then arent the family of the wrongly executed perfectly within their rights to kill the prosecutor, judge and jury as well as the actual executioner? That is the message you are giving.

His message is one of perpetual vengeance and killing.

Hopeless.

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Reply #601 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 3:31pm

Avram you are not silly.

Do you not understand that so long as you seek vengeance, and your enemy seeks vengeance the killing will never end?

Is that the legacy you want to leave your children? Don't you realise there has to be another way?

And don't tell me it's up to the Arabs, or I'll get angry with you.

Shalom, my friend.

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Reply #603 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 4:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 2:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:17pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:54am:

of course there are errors.

But i accept this is as part of it and the state must make sure it does not make too many of them.

so it is okay for you that innocent people are executed as long as everyone 'tries real hard'? But by your own logic that every evil must be avenged then aren't the family of the wrongly executed perfectly within their rights to kill the prosecutor, judge and jury as well as the actual executioner? That is the message you are giving.

His message is one of perpetual vengeance and killing.

Hopeless.

It must be so fulfilling to be able to pass judgement on others in war torn countries from the safety of your safe little house, in your safe little suburb, in your safe little city in your safe little country.

Maybe if you lived in a country where half a dozen other countries are hell bent on wiping you off the face of the earth, you might not be such a self serving wanker. But that is just my opinion.

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Reply #604 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 4:14pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 4:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 2:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:17pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:54am:

of course there are errors.

But i accept this is as part of it and the state must make sure it does not make too many of them.

so it is okay for you that innocent people are executed as long as everyone 'tries real hard'? But by your own logic that every evil must be avenged then aren't the family of the wrongly executed perfectly within their rights to kill the prosecutor, judge and jury as well as the actual executioner? That is the message you are giving.

His message is one of perpetual vengeance and killing.

Hopeless.

It must be so fulfilling to be able to pass judgement on others in war torn countries from the safety of your safe little house, in your safe little suburb, in your safe little city in your safe little country.

Maybe if you lived in a country where half a dozen other countries are hell bent on wiping you off the face of the earth,
you might not be such a self serving wanker. But that is just my opinion.

Careful with those insults BigOl.

I didn't report it.

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Reply #605 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 4:38pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 4:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 2:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:17pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:54am:

of course there are errors.

But i accept this is as part of it and the state must make sure it does not make too many of them.

so it is okay for you that innocent people are executed as long as everyone 'tries real hard'? But by your own logic that every evil must be avenged then aren't the family of the wrongly executed perfectly within their rights to kill the prosecutor, judge and jury as well as the actual executioner? That is the message you are giving.

His message is one of perpetual vengeance and killing.

Hopeless.

It must be so fulfilling to be able to pass judgement on others in war torn countries from the safety of your safe little house, in your safe little suburb, in your safe little city in your safe little country.

Maybe if you lived in a country where half a dozen other countries are hell bent on wiping you off the face of the earth, you might not be such a self serving wanker. But that is just my opinion.

Exactly.

And it's worth even less than Avram's.

Not sure why you bothered.

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Reply #606 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 4:40pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 3:31pm:

Avram you are not silly.

Do you not understand that so long as you seek vengeance, and your enemy seeks vengeance the killing will never end?

Is that the legacy you want to leave your children? Don't you realise there has to be another way?

And don't tell me it's up to the Arabs, or I'll get vet angry with you.

Shalom, my friend.

The answer is "no".

He quite simply does not understand how destructive and negative his vengeance is.

It's sad. It really is.

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Reply #607 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:21pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 4:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 2:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:17pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:54am:

of course there are errors.

But i accept this is as part of it and the state must make sure it does not make too many of them.

so it is okay for you that innocent people are executed as long as everyone 'tries real hard'? But by your own logic that every evil must be avenged then aren't the family of the wrongly executed perfectly within their rights to kill the prosecutor, judge and jury as well as the actual executioner? That is the message you are giving.

His message is one of perpetual vengeance and killing.

Hopeless.

It must be so fulfilling to be able to pass judgement on others in war torn countries from the safety of your safe little house, in your safe little suburb, in your safe little city in your safe little country.

Maybe if you lived in a country where half a dozen other countries are hell bent on wiping you off the face of the earth, you might not be such a self serving wanker. But that is just my opinion.

it is true that we sit in the spectator seats but at the same time, it is also true that spectators see things that participants never do. Israel is certainly treated badly by the countiries round about them but at the same time their own actions - while mainly justified - are not actions seeking peace. I dont know what the solution to it all is but I do know that endless killing of each other is certainly NOT the solution. But what grates on most of us is Avram's insistence that his generation 'is for peace' while insisting that every act must be avenged and people killed. Even the fundamental insistence that the innocent shoudl not be killed is not treated as all that important. THAT is the issue here.

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Reply #608 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 4:38pm:

Exactly.

And it's worth even less than Avram's.

Not sure why you bothered.

But you still feel the need to reply, no cretinous gif to explain your thoughts though.

Unless you reintroduce the cretinous gifs I feel you wasting everyone's time, it is the only worthwhile thing you have to offer in this or any other thread.

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Reply #609 - Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 6:37pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 4:38pm:

Exactly.

And it's worth even less than Avram's.

Not sure why you bothered.

But you still feel the need to reply, no cretinous gif to explain your thoughts though.

Unless you reintroduce the cretinous gifs I feel you wasting everyone's time, it is the only worthwhile thing you have to offer in this or any other thread.

Nope. Still not sure why you bothered.

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Reply #610 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 11:31am

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:30pm:

We seem to have moved far from the original topic, but that's not unusual.

As a man of Jewish heritage I take great pride in much of what my people have done. The transformation of barren country into a green, productive land and a thriving democracy, is a marvellous achievement.

But I am ashamed of the Israeli attitude to Palestine. And I am disgusted by the cries for vengeance typified by Avram Horowitz.

Both sides desperately need leaders of Gandhi-like qualities, men who see beyond the insane cries for revenge and find a way for both peoples to live beside each other in peace and brotherhood.

Good post Peter.

You and many other Jewish people are ashamed of Israel's treatment of the people of Palestine, that's why we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush. There are plenty of Jews living in Israel that have a conscience.

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Reply #612 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 12:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 6:37pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 4:38pm:

Exactly.

And it's worth even less than Avram's.

Not sure why you bothered.

But you still feel the need to reply, no cretinous gif to explain your thoughts though.

Unless you reintroduce the cretinous gifs I feel you wasting everyone's time, it is the only worthwhile thing you have to offer in this or any other thread.

Nope. Still not sure why you bothered.

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Reply #613 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 1:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 11:37am:

The poll is 50/50.

I am surprised as I though most people would like a good hanging?

50/50? Hmmm.

"Australians say penalty for murder should be Imprisonment (64%) rather than the Death Penalty (23%)"

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/finding-4411-201302260051

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Reply #614 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 2:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 1:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 11:37am:

The poll is 50/50.

I am surprised as I though most people would like a good hanging?

50/50? Hmmm.

"Australians say penalty for murder should be Imprisonment (64%) rather than the Death Penalty (23%)"

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/finding-4411-201302260051

I am not surprised - we can't even get euthanasia through parliament -
people who are vegetables with no chance of ever living a normal life
can't end their days with dignity.

We have a culture that denies death.

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Question: Do you support the death penalty?
yes 7 (50.0%) no 6 (42.9%) not sure 1 (7.1%) Total votes: 14 « Created by: Bobby. on: Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:19pm »