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Reply #615 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 4:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 2:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 1:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 11:37am:

The poll is 50/50.

I am surprised as I though most people would like a good hanging?

50/50? Hmmm.

"Australians say penalty for murder should be Imprisonment (64%) rather than the Death Penalty (23%)"

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/finding-4411-201302260051

I am not surprised - we can't even get euthanasia through parliament -
people who are vegetables with no chance of ever living a normal life
can't end their days with dignity.

We have a culture that denies death.

and you want one that embraces and adores it.

maybe the DP for poofs?? thats the end of you and nail then. In Iran it is the case and Uganda too I think.

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Reply #616 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 5:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 1:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 11:37am:

The poll is 50/50.

I am surprised as I though most people would like a good hanging?

50/50? Hmmm.

"Australians say penalty for murder should be Imprisonment (64%) rather than the Death Penalty (23%)"

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/finding-4411-201302260051

Even though bobby was not even referring to this poll the link is interesting.

50% of Australian are keen for other countries to kill Australians for crimes a lot less neferious than murder. Kinda odd attitude toward the DP. Save a murderer but kill a trafficker

Australians still support the tough penalties for drug trafficking in many South-East Asian countries like Malaysia and Singapore with 50% (down 11%) of Australians agreeing that “If an Australian is convicted of trafficking drugs in another country and sentenced to death, the penalty should be carried out” while 44% (up 9%) say the death penalty “should not be carried out” and 6% (up 2%) can’t say.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #617 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 6:06pm ...
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #618 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 6:37pm Avenging the deaths of people and justice can be exactly the same thing.
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Reply #619 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:34pm

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 6:37pm:

Avenging the deaths of people and justice can be exactly the same thing.

We should take lessons from nature. If you place rats in an enclosed environment that provides sufficient food and water to support all rats born into that environment, they begin to cannibalise their own until they reach a 'sustainable' population.

You want to know what triggers that behaviour?

Personal space!

We have a lot to learn about our own intrinsic, and instinctive, reactions about modern, crowded, divisive societies.

The research is out there! Homo Sapiens doesn't like crowds.

Civilisation is but a thin veneer on our limbic system.

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Reply #620 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:57pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 4:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 2:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 1:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 11:37am:

The poll is 50/50.

I am surprised as I though most people would like a good hanging?

50/50? Hmmm.

"Australians say penalty for murder should be Imprisonment (64%) rather than the Death Penalty (23%)"

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/finding-4411-201302260051

I am not surprised - we can't even get euthanasia through parliament -
people who are vegetables with no chance of ever living a normal life
can't end their days with dignity.

We have a culture that denies death.

and you want one that embraces and adores it.

maybe the DP for poofs?? thats the end of you and nail then. In Iran it is the case and Uganda too I think.

Longweekend,
How dare you suggest again this poofter slur.
You're just a flamer & a troll.
If you do it once more I will report you.

The death penalty should only be for:

murder
rape
theft
pedophilia
terrorism

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #621 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:57pm:

... the death penalty should only be for:

murder
rape
theft
pedophilia
terrorism

A long list there, Bobby.

I'd prefer to have the definitions of some crime changed. The murder and rape of Jill Meagher, for example. This is the type of criminal offence that I would like to see classified as 'terrorism'. To my way of thinking, this young woman was not 'merely' killed, she was also subjected to what I would term as terrorism. She probably felt the same in her last few conscious moments.

Penalty for terrorism - death!

Ivan Milat was not a murderer, he was a terrorist. He should pay the penalty. Geoffrey Dahmer was not a murderer, he was a terrorist.

You walk up to a car and shoot a bloke in the front seat - murder.

You steal someone off the street, kicking and screaming - you hi-jack someone from their home - you kidnap someone or keep someone hostage ...... that's terrorism.

It's the treatment of the victim that should define the crime.

The penalty for terrorism - death. Simple murder - a looooong stretch.

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Reply #622 - Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 10:17pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:57pm:

... the death penalty should only be for:

murder
rape
theft
pedophilia
terrorism

A long list there, Bobby.

I'd prefer to have the definitions of some crime changed. The murder and rape of Jill Meagher, for example. This is the type of criminal offence that I would like to see classified as 'terrorism'. To my way of thinking, this young woman was not 'merely' killed, she was also subjected to what I would term as terrorism. She probably felt the same in her last few conscious moments.

Penalty for terrorism - death!

Ivan Milat was not a murderer, he was a terrorist. He should pay the penalty. Geoffrey Dahmer was not a murderer, he was a terrorist.

You walk up to a car and shoot a bloke in the front seat - murder.

You steal someone off the street, kicking and screaming - you hi-jack someone from their home - you kidnap someone or keep someone hostage ...... that's terrorism.

It's the treatment of the victim that should define the crime.

The penalty for terrorism - death. Simple murder - a looooong stretch.

I think my list is good enough but I see your point.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 137482 Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #623 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 7:11am Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:57pm: The death penalty should only be for: murder rape theft pedophilia terrorism "theft"? Seriously? All theft?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104670 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd... Reply #624 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:27am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 7:11am: Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:57pm: The death penalty should only be for: murder rape theft pedophilia terrorism "theft"? Seriously? All theft? Not stealing a candy bar from the shop. Big time theft.
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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #625 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:09am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 4:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 2:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 1:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 11:37am:

The poll is 50/50.

I am surprised as I though most people would like a good hanging?

50/50? Hmmm.

"Australians say penalty for murder should be Imprisonment (64%) rather than the Death Penalty (23%)"

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/finding-4411-201302260051

I am not surprised - we can't even get euthanasia through parliament -
people who are vegetables with no chance of ever living a normal life
can't end their days with dignity.

We have a culture that denies death.

and you want one that embraces and adores it.

maybe the DP for poofs?? thats the end of you and nail then. In Iran it is the case and Uganda too I think.

Longweekend,
How dare you suggest again this poofter slur.
You're just a flamer & a troll.
If you do it once more I will report you.

The death penalty should only be for:

murder
rape
theft
pedophilia
terrorism

so.. stealing a loaf of bread gets the death penatly? And since terrorism has ben expanded to include such acts as burning down an empty building perhap you might want to redefine that as well. And pedophilis is a STATE, not an action.

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #626 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:11am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:57pm:

... the death penalty should only be for:

murder
rape
theft
pedophilia
terrorism

A long list there, Bobby.

I'd prefer to have the definitions of some crime changed. The murder and rape of Jill Meagher, for example. This is the type of criminal offence that I would like to see classified as 'terrorism'. To my way of thinking, this young woman was not 'merely' killed, she was also subjected to what I would term as terrorism. She probably felt the same in her last few conscious moments.

Penalty for terrorism - death!

Ivan Milat was not a murderer, he was a terrorist. He should pay the penalty. Geoffrey Dahmer was not a murderer, he was a terrorist.

You walk up to a car and shoot a bloke in the front seat - murder.

You steal someone off the street, kicking and screaming - you hi-jack someone from their home - you kidnap someone or keep someone hostage ...... that's terrorism.

It's the treatment of the victim that should define the crime.

The penalty for terrorism - death. Simple murder - a looooong stretch.

oh goodie... let's now change the definition of terrorism so that it too can be meaningless along with sexism, racism and even rape and assault. All these words have such a wide range of meanings that out of context (such as bobbys list) they mean nothing.

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Reply #627 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:12am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:57pm:

The death penalty should only be for:

murder
rape
theft
pedophilia
terrorism

"theft"?

Seriously?

All theft?

Not stealing a candy bar from the shop.
Big time theft.

so wonderfully expanded. so you mean an entire shopping trolley of food and not just bread??

idiot.

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Reply #628 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:15am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 7:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:57pm:

The death penalty should only be for:

murder
rape
theft
pedophilia
terrorism

"theft"?

Seriously?

All theft?

Not stealing a candy bar from the shop.
Big time theft.

so wonderfully expanded. so you mean an entire shopping trolley of food and not just bread??

idiot.

What about embezzlers who steal $millions from a business
due to their gambling addiction -
cause that business to go bankrupt -
then get maybe 2 years jail & the money is never repaid?

Is that fair?

I say - hang em high as a deterrent to others.

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Re: The Death Penalty is still drawin' a crowd...
Reply #629 - Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:15am

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

so.. stealing a loaf of bread gets the death penatly? And since terrorism has ben expanded to include such acts as burning down an empty building perhap you might want to redefine that as well. And pedophilia is a STATE, not an action.

Somehow, I don't think that fact would change bobby's mind.

He seems to be pretty loose with the noose.

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Question: Do you support the death penalty?
yes 7 (50.0%) no 6 (42.9%) not sure 1 (7.1%) Total votes: 14 « Created by: Bobby. on: Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:19pm »