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Gillard was before her time. Labor experiment halt
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Labor and their union comrads got a little excited with what is happening in America and thought they could start their experiment at the same time as the US.

Luckily for Australia, we are not as far gone as America, which made Gillard, the labor fabian socialist experiment fail.

We are well on our way though, though the slow but steady demoralization of our society.



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Another communist rant?
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Reply #2 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:14am
 
What this country cannot afford is extremism. Gillard represented that in many ways, as do some of her Labor comrades.

None so much as the Greens, however. Their vote has plummeted since the ekectiin, and thank goodness for that.

Extremism should have no place in our nation.
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Reply #3 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:16am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:04am:
Another communist rant?

I think it only fair a KGB defector speaking about what communism is doing to our society, is allowed to rant a little.

Shame though. Gillard would have been loved by atleast you and your fellow fabian socialists, communists in Australia.
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Reply #4 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:23am
 
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:14am:
What this country cannot afford is extremism. Gillard represented that in many ways, as do some of her Labor comrades.

None so much as the Greens, however. Their vote has plummeted since the ekectiin, and thank goodness for that.

Extremism should have no place in our nation.


I'm biting.  How?
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Reply #5 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:25am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:16am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:04am:
Another communist rant?

I think it only fair a KGB defector speaking about what communism is doing to our society, is allowed to rant a little.

Shame though. Gillard would have been loved by atleast you and your fellow fabian socialists, communists in Australia.

Even ex KGB are allowed to be loopy, as what is quite evident here.  Let me guess...Hollywood is commie and women out of the kitchen are commie?
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Reply #6 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:30am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:23am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:14am:
What this country cannot afford is extremism. Gillard represented that in many ways, as do some of her Labor comrades.

None so much as the Greens, however. Their vote has plummeted since the ekectiin, and thank goodness for that.

Extremism should have no place in our nation.


I'm biting.  How?


Proposed media reforms for one thing. Thankfully it never saw the light of day. Conroy often boasted of his power, and at one point said that he could make people wear red underpants on their heads, if he told them to do so. Arrogance beyond belief. Gillard also was very dictatorial in the way that she governed, and had no regard for democracy. Nicola Roxon also said that certain comments made about Gillard by people from the public should not be allowed, when all that those people were doing was expressing their right to freedom of speech.

The Greens are even worse. They effectively want to restrict or close down anybody who disagrees with them, like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt.

Extremism has no merit.
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Reply #7 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:34am
 
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:30am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:23am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:14am:
What this country cannot afford is extremism. Gillard represented that in many ways, as do some of her Labor comrades.

None so much as the Greens, however. Their vote has plummeted since the ekectiin, and thank goodness for that.

Extremism should have no place in our nation.


I'm biting.  How?


Proposed media reforms for one thing. Thankfully it never saw the light of day. Conroy often boasted of his power, and at one point said that he could make people wear red underpants on their heads, if he told them to do so. Arrogance beyond belief. Gillard also was very dictatorial in the way that she governed, and had no regard for democracy. Nicola Roxon also said that certain comments made about Gillard by people from the public should not be allowed, when all that those people were doing was expressing their right to freedom of speech.

The Greens are even worse. They effectively want to restrict or close down anybody who disagrees with them, like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt.

Extremism has no merit.

So your case for extremism is a poorly designed policy aimed at having media REGULATE ITSELF and then a whole lot of fluff about a dictatorial holistic approaxh, without anything to back that up.

OK.  I overestimated you.  My apologies.
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Reply #8 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:45am
 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:34am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:30am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:23am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:14am:
What this country cannot afford is extremism. Gillard represented that in many ways, as do some of her Labor comrades.

None so much as the Greens, however. Their vote has plummeted since the ekectiin, and thank goodness for that.

Extremism should have no place in our nation.


I'm biting.  How?


Proposed media reforms for one thing. Thankfully it never saw the light of day. Conroy often boasted of his power, and at one point said that he could make people wear red underpants on their heads, if he told them to do so. Arrogance beyond belief. Gillard also was very dictatorial in the way that she governed, and had no regard for democracy. Nicola Roxon also said that certain comments made about Gillard by people from the public should not be allowed, when all that those people were doing was expressing their right to freedom of speech.

The Greens are even worse. They effectively want to restrict or close down anybody who disagrees with them, like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt.

Extremism has no merit.

So your case for extremism is a poorly designed policy aimed at having media REGULATE ITSELF and then a whole lot of fluff about a dictatorial holistic approaxh, without anything to back that up.

OK.  I overestimated you.  My apologies.


Nothing to back it up? These are facts.
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Reply #9 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:51am
 
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:45am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:34am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:30am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:23am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:14am:
What this country cannot afford is extremism. Gillard represented that in many ways, as do some of her Labor comrades.

None so much as the Greens, however. Their vote has plummeted since the ekectiin, and thank goodness for that.

Extremism should have no place in our nation.


I'm biting.  How?


Proposed media reforms for one thing. Thankfully it never saw the light of day. Conroy often boasted of his power, and at one point said that he could make people wear red underpants on their heads, if he told them to do so. Arrogance beyond belief. Gillard also was very dictatorial in the way that she governed, and had no regard for democracy. Nicola Roxon also said that certain comments made about Gillard by people from the public should not be allowed, when all that those people were doing was expressing their right to freedom of speech.

The Greens are even worse. They effectively want to restrict or close down anybody who disagrees with them, like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt.

Extremism has no merit.

So your case for extremism is a poorly designed policy aimed at having media REGULATE ITSELF and then a whole lot of fluff about a dictatorial holistic approaxh, without anything to back that up.

OK.  I overestimated you.  My apologies.


Nothing to back it up? These are facts.

Matty, fluff is not facts.  Its fluff.
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Reply #10 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:54am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:51am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:45am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:34am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:30am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:23am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:14am:
What this country cannot afford is extremism. Gillard represented that in many ways, as do some of her Labor comrades.

None so much as the Greens, however. Their vote has plummeted since the ekectiin, and thank goodness for that.

Extremism should have no place in our nation.


I'm biting.  How?


Proposed media reforms for one thing. Thankfully it never saw the light of day. Conroy often boasted of his power, and at one point said that he could make people wear red underpants on their heads, if he told them to do so. Arrogance beyond belief. Gillard also was very dictatorial in the way that she governed, and had no regard for democracy. Nicola Roxon also said that certain comments made about Gillard by people from the public should not be allowed, when all that those people were doing was expressing their right to freedom of speech.

The Greens are even worse. They effectively want to restrict or close down anybody who disagrees with them, like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt.

Extremism has no merit.

So your case for extremism is a poorly designed policy aimed at having media REGULATE ITSELF and then a whole lot of fluff about a dictatorial holistic approaxh, without anything to back that up.

OK.  I overestimated you.  My apologies.


Nothing to back it up? These are facts.

Matty, fluff is not facts.  Its fluff.


Quite right, fluff is fluff, facts are facts.

Everything that I posted is factual. Of what I posted, what do you dispute?
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Reply #11 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:57am
 
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:54am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:51am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:45am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:34am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:30am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:23am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:14am:
What this country cannot afford is extremism. Gillard represented that in many ways, as do some of her Labor comrades.

None so much as the Greens, however. Their vote has plummeted since the ekectiin, and thank goodness for that.

Extremism should have no place in our nation.


I'm biting.  How?


Proposed media reforms for one thing. Thankfully it never saw the light of day. Conroy often boasted of his power, and at one point said that he could make people wear red underpants on their heads, if he told them to do so. Arrogance beyond belief. Gillard also was very dictatorial in the way that she governed, and had no regard for democracy. Nicola Roxon also said that certain comments made about Gillard by people from the public should not be allowed, when all that those people were doing was expressing their right to freedom of speech.

The Greens are even worse. They effectively want to restrict or close down anybody who disagrees with them, like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt.

Extremism has no merit.

So your case for extremism is a poorly designed policy aimed at having media REGULATE ITSELF and then a whole lot of fluff about a dictatorial holistic approaxh, without anything to back that up.

OK.  I overestimated you.  My apologies.


Nothing to back it up? These are facts.

Matty, fluff is not facts.  Its fluff.


Quite right, fluff is fluff, facts are facts.

Everything that I posted is factual. Of what I posted, what do you dispute?

And here starts mattys circular crap.  Go back to posts, reread what I said in reply to you and then go from there Smiley
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Reply #12 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 1:02am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:57am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:54am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:51am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:45am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:34am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:30am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:23am:
matty wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 12:14am:
What this country cannot afford is extremism. Gillard represented that in many ways, as do some of her Labor comrades.

None so much as the Greens, however. Their vote has plummeted since the ekectiin, and thank goodness for that.

Extremism should have no place in our nation.


I'm biting.  How?


Proposed media reforms for one thing. Thankfully it never saw the light of day. Conroy often boasted of his power, and at one point said that he could make people wear red underpants on their heads, if he told them to do so. Arrogance beyond belief. Gillard also was very dictatorial in the way that she governed, and had no regard for democracy. Nicola Roxon also said that certain comments made about Gillard by people from the public should not be allowed, when all that those people were doing was expressing their right to freedom of speech.

The Greens are even worse. They effectively want to restrict or close down anybody who disagrees with them, like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt.

Extremism has no merit.

So your case for extremism is a poorly designed policy aimed at having media REGULATE ITSELF and then a whole lot of fluff about a dictatorial holistic approaxh, without anything to back that up.

OK.  I overestimated you.  My apologies.


Nothing to back it up? These are facts.

Matty, fluff is not facts.  Its fluff.


Quite right, fluff is fluff, facts are facts.

Everything that I posted is factual. Of what I posted, what do you dispute?

And here starts mattys circular crap.  Go back to posts, reread what I said in reply to you and then go from there Smiley


I've read it, but all that you have said is that it didn't happen, when it did.

No doubt you'll be 1/11 voting for the Greens, hoping against hope that they will remain relevant.
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Reply #13 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 1:18am
 
Actually no, I am reluctant to vote at all at this stage.

Your argument may have been better relating to the greens if you actually spoke about their utopian style policies, policies that are hard to disagree with apart from the fact they are either poorly costed or not costed at all.  The idea of A more just society with better health and free education is great from the greens, only it is extreme in the current climate given the level of funding required.  The idea of minimizing road funding and opting for public transport is fantastic, only that this country is built for road freight and having no support for it can be seen as extreme.  The idea of closing all coal stations and stopping all their funding is great also, other than its without short term consequential thinking, making it also extreme in my opinion.  Progress needs to occur, but progress must always have short tern ans long term planning, and the greens in my opinion are too long term and no short term.  Hence I find some of theirpolicies, while idologically I'd agree with, extreme to the point where I wouldn't trust them in government. But to say they are extreme for having their own free speech against Allen and boltsandnuts... please. 

As for labor.  Yes the media reforms independent body elected by government minister was something I didn't agree with.  Poor policy design.  Incredibly poor policy design. But the aim of industry self regulation is hardly extreme.  So sorry someone has asked the industry to self regulate and bring in a standard for what can be regarded as factual opinion and news, and wat can be regarded as utter extreme ranting.

As for your "gillard dictator" ranting, like I said, all fluff and no substance.  Provide proper examples or go back to sitting on the sideline.
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Reply #14 - Jun 28th, 2013 at 2:01am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 28th, 2013 at 1:18am:
Actually no, I am reluctant to vote at all at this stage.

Your argument may have been better relating to the greens if you actually spoke about their utopian style policies, policies that are hard to disagree with apart from the fact they are either poorly costed or not costed at all.  The idea of A more just society with better health and free education is great from the greens, only it is extreme in the current climate given the level of funding required.  The idea of minimizing road funding and opting for public transport is fantastic, only that this country is built for road freight and having no support for it can be seen as extreme.  The idea of closing all coal stations and stopping all their funding is great also, other than its without short term consequential thinking, making it also extreme in my opinion.  Progress needs to occur, but progress must always have short tern ans long term planning, and the greens in my opinion are too long term and no short term.  Hence I find some of theirpolicies, while idologically I'd agree with, extreme to the point where I wouldn't trust them in government. But to say they are extreme for having their own free speech against Allen and boltsandnuts... please. 

As for labor.  Yes the media reforms independent body elected by government minister was something I didn't agree with.  Poor policy design.  Incredibly poor policy design. But the aim of industry self regulation is hardly extreme.  So sorry someone has asked the industry to self regulate and bring in a standard for what can be regarded as factual opinion and news, and wat can be regarded as utter extreme ranting.

As for your "gillard dictator" ranting, like I said, all fluff and no substance.  Provide proper examples or go back to sitting on the sideline.


You make it seem as though the Greens are a peaceful and well-meaning, yet naive and unrealistically optimistic. Whie I do understand the point that you make, alevine, the fact is that the Greens are worse than that. They take a very staunch view against anybody who disagrees with them, and makes it seem like they're some evil monster, simply for having an opposing view. They also want to let every boat to be let in, most of whom are Muslim, whilst true and genuine refugees are sent to the back of the queue for doing the right thing and waiting their turn.

As for the other points

Milne and brown thought that Alan should be taken off air simply for his comment about Gillard's father's death.

Conroy bragged about unfettered power, and he and Gillard both wanted to restrict what the media could say.

Roxon thought that it was 'not alowed' for a man to make comprisons between Gillard and a cow. I forget the exact comment, but will look it up.

Gillard brazenly broke her promise about the carbon tax, and offered no apology. Nor did she apologise about her broken promise over a surplus, or explain why she repeatedly promised it.
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