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Why can't we get seedless mandarins here?
Jun 29^th, 2013 at 9:02am

This is a worthy fight for the National Party. For so long now, we've had to put up with pips in our mandarins, and it gives me the pip to know that they've had the seedless variety for many years in Europe and the UK. They call them tangerines. Some are called clementines, but they are just mandarins without the pips.

What exactly is the problem with growing them in Australia?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here? Reply #1 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 9:05am I don't think seedless mandarins and tangerines are the same thing, although they are similar in appearance. Regardless, I'm also pretty sure I've had both here in Australia. Although not for many years.
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Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here?
Reply #2 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 9:36am

Its a mixture of economics and no ethics.

You can get a variety called Silver Hill also known as Satsuma (not the plum)
However there is a variety (name escapes me) that looks like a mandarin but is actually a cross between a mandarin and something else.
This variety produces shirt loads more fruit per ha so the growers will grow that instead.

If its the one I am thinking of its hard to peel and chock full of seeds.

If everyone went back to labeling their produce properly you as a consumer could learn what is what and avoid the crap varieties.
You will have to pay more for the better varieties however.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here? Reply #3 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 9:39am Also Imperial and Hickson mandarin grown without pollination will produce very few seeds. Both very tasty fruit with Imperial being superior in flavour but a harder to make money out of because of smaller fruit and lower yields. Small fruit = high harvest cost (plus they need to be clipped )
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here? Reply #4 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 7:45pm Thanks for the explanation miketrees. I guess it only takes one or two growers to get their act together and the consumers wil buy what they prefer.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here? Reply #5 - Jun 29^th, 2013 at 10:12pm Genetically castrated mandarins. You have 'em. What's the point of mandarins if you can't spit the pips??
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here? Reply #6 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:00pm Don't knock them until you try them. All fruit is genetically modified (naturally) Tangerines, Satsumas and Clementines have been around for at least 50 years in Europe, Canada and the US.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here? Reply #7 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 4:06pm So Milktrees, since you appear to be the resident expert, perhaps you can provide an answer .... are Tangerines and mandarins the same thing?
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Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here?
Reply #8 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:40pm

As for you, Soren, this is a wild banana:

Nice to spit out the pips.....not.

We (mankind) developed the seedless banana by selective breeding. The tangerine, clementine and satsuma were similarly developed.

So why do we put up with mandarins full of seeds in Australia, whereas just about every other country in the world has tangerines, and they are huge, luscious, sweet and seedless- and they are cheap. I first tasted a tangerine during a visit to the UK at Christmas time. They are delicious and no pips to accidentally crush between your teeth.

SO let's rise up, be revolting and demand seedless mandarins. Shocked

"Stop the boats" fades into insignificance compared to this issue.

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Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here?
Reply #9 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 8:04pm

Well John I am not sure.
A tangelo is a cross between a mandarin and a grapefruit.

I thought some people got the two names tangelo and tangerine mixed up.

Tangelos look like mandarins, usually a bit bigger(they get that from mum,Grapefruit).
However if you have a keen sense of smell tangelos smell like grapefruit

http://www.agric.wa.gov.au/objtwr/imported_assets/content/hort/fn/cp/citrus_propagation.pdf

Unfortunately if you sent a small consignment of just about anything to our markets you would get bugger all for them unless it was something that had made headline in the media.
Our market system only works for consistent large consignments.
If supermarkets and markets are going to bother with something they want to be able to make money from it every week.
So if you have a fantastic boutique line, sell it elsewhere

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Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here?
Reply #10 - Jun 30^th, 2013 at 10:29pm

muso wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

As for you, Soren, this is a wild banana:
http://bwindiresearchers.wildlifedirect.org/files/2009/07/pict0268.jpg

Nice to spit out the pips.....not.

We (mankind) developed the seedless banana by selective breeding. The tangerine, clementine and satsuma were similarly developed.

So why do we put up with mandarins full of seeds in Australia, whereas just about every other country in the world has tangerines, and they are huge, luscious, sweet and seedless- and they are cheap. I first tasted a tangerine during a visit to the UK at Christmas time. They are delicious and no pips to accidentally crush between your teeth.

SO let's rise up, be revolting and demand seedless mandarins. Shocked

"Stop the boats" fades into insignificance compared to this issue.

This kinda mindless revolutionary fever gives me the pip.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here? Reply #11 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:41am This kinda mindless revolutionary fever gives me the pip. Who do you think you are, The Lone Oranger?
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Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here?
Reply #12 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 1:12pm

muso wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

As for you, Soren, this is a wild banana:
http://bwindiresearchers.wildlifedirect.org/files/2009/07/pict0268.jpg

Nice to spit out the pips.....not.

We (mankind) developed the seedless banana by selective breeding. The tangerine, clementine and satsuma were similarly developed.

So why do we put up with mandarins full of seeds in Australia, whereas just about every other country in the world has tangerines, and they are huge, luscious, sweet and seedless- and they are cheap. I first tasted a tangerine during a visit to the UK at Christmas time. They are delicious and no pips to accidentally crush between your teeth.

SO let's rise up, be revolting and demand seedless mandarins. Shocked

"Stop the boats" fades into insignificance compared to this issue.

The Bible warns against messing with your seed. SO stop it.

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Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here?
Reply #13 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 7:09pm

miketrees wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 9:41am:

This kinda mindless revolutionary fever gives me the pip.

Who do you think you are, The Lone Oranger?

I'm totally crushed by these remarks.

OK, I know what a tangelo is. Tangerines and satsumas are totally different. They are mass consignments in most parts of the world, except Australia. They are virtually identical to mandarins, except the top of the fruit has a bit of a dimple in it.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Why can't we get seedless mandarins here? Reply #14 - Jul 1^st, 2013 at 8:35pm I have known Sarth Efrecans that call mandarins Yanzies and or Tanzies. I think such talk comes from Phil O,Stiens (famous Irish Jewish fellow)
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